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Could the cosmos, in fact, be conscious?

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Re: Could the cosmos, in fact, be conscious?

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Post by FredPret »

monero-xmr wrote: post #2

It’s obvious to me that the universe was intelligently designed. For exactly the reasons the author states, it’s simply too perfect and conducive to life. If you have 10 minutes watch this video of a cardiac surgeon whose patient had a near death experience: https://youtu.be/JL1oDuvQR08 The most arrogant thing I could possibly imagine thinking, is that I know all of the mysteries of the universe and what happens when…

The only conclusion we can draw from your observation of a really-nice-to-live-in universe (and almost all of it isn’t) is that we can create a simulated, even nicer-to-live-in universe in our havitable corner of it and run some AIs in it.

If there’s a creator, then this creator fellow must live in an even bigger, nicer universe within which ours exists. Now, where does that come from?

Re: Could the cosmos, in fact, be conscious?

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Post by edgyquant »

asdff wrote: post #9

There are a lot of compelling theories out there for the purpose/true nature of the universe. We are probably orders and orders of magnitude too small ourselves to fully grasp the complexity, like how one of our skin cells don't understand how the body works but coupled into an entire multicellular organism, we can now read an anatomy textbook. Despite how little we are capable of understanding at such a scale, I sti…

I’ve always had thoughts like that. Like what if we were just some gods classification algorithm and the universe is the data being fed into the algorithm.

Re: Could the cosmos, in fact, be conscious?

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Post by groestl »

asdff wrote: post #9

There are a lot of compelling theories out there for the purpose/true nature of the universe. We are probably orders and orders of magnitude too small ourselves to fully grasp the complexity, like how one of our skin cells don't understand how the body works but coupled into an entire multicellular organism, we can now read an anatomy textbook. Despite how little we are capable of understanding at such a scale, I sti…

> like how one of our skin cells don't understand how the body works

And how surprising would it be if, in one of our skin cells, there would be a life form that, through their scientific advancements, actually understands how the body works :)

Re: Could the cosmos, in fact, be conscious?

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Post by card_zero »

asdff wrote: post #9

There are a lot of compelling theories out there for the purpose/true nature of the universe. We are probably orders and orders of magnitude too small ourselves to fully grasp the complexity, like how one of our skin cells don't understand how the body works but coupled into an entire multicellular organism, we can now read an anatomy textbook. Despite how little we are capable of understanding at such a scale, I sti…

> too small ourselves to fully grasp the complexity

Size has nothing do with ability to understand things, so this doesn't make sense.

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Post by tflol »

asdff wrote: post #9

There are a lot of compelling theories out there for the purpose/true nature of the universe. We are probably orders and orders of magnitude too small ourselves to fully grasp the complexity, like how one of our skin cells don't understand how the body works but coupled into an entire multicellular organism, we can now read an anatomy textbook. Despite how little we are capable of understanding at such a scale, I sti…

the lava lamp bit reminds me of this episode, which actually did influence my perspective

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ricks_Must_Be_Crazy

> In the episode, Rick and Morty go inside Rick's microverse car battery, an entire verse that generates electricity to power Rick's car, unbeknown to the citizens of the microverse. Zeep Xanflorp, a scientist in the microverse, creates his own microverse, thus stopping the flow of energy to Rick's car.

Re: Could the cosmos, in fact, be conscious?

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Post by cowsup »

crunchycensus wrote: post #6

This is a lot of working backwards. I find this interesting but ultimately not compelling. I see a lot of: "If things were different than the way they are, they couldn't work they way that they work!"

Agreed, I find lots of these "what is the universe?" questions fall apart, due to the fact that humans aren't great at figuring out what we don't know. Just a thousand years ago, our smartest minds had a very different idea of what "space" was, how our solar system behaved, and even the shape of our planet, but it made sense to them at the time with the technology they had, so it's hard to mock them.

For us to theorize that which we cannot hope to ever understand makes us no different.

Re: Could the cosmos, in fact, be conscious?

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Post by edgyquant »

card_zero wrote: post #15
asdff wrote: post #9

There are a lot of compelling theories out there for the purpose/true nature of the universe. We are probably orders and orders of magnitude too small ourselves to fully grasp the complexity, like how one of our skin cells don't understand how the body works but coupled into an entire multicellular organism, we can now read an anatomy textbook. Despite how little we are capable of understanding at such a scale, I sti…

> too small ourselves to fully grasp the complexity Size has nothing do with ability to understand things, so this doesn't make sense.

It matters very much when it comes to perspective. The posters point is spot on so unless you have some counter you should just delete yours.
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