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Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by yunohn »

dns_snek wrote: post #3

Nice one, Germany! Is there anything blocking the rest of EU from legalizing cannabis in this manner, aside from internal (national) politics? Whenever this topic comes up in our country, it's always met with opposition claiming that it would be against the EU regulations, or international treaties, or some other external blocker that we can't control. These reasons sound like a stall tactic given that a few EU count…

In my experience in Europe, the primary roadblock is the controlling moralistic conservatism exhibited by critics like those quoted in the article.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by hkwerf »

dns_snek wrote: post #3

Nice one, Germany! Is there anything blocking the rest of EU from legalizing cannabis in this manner, aside from internal (national) politics? Whenever this topic comes up in our country, it's always met with opposition claiming that it would be against the EU regulations, or international treaties, or some other external blocker that we can't control. These reasons sound like a stall tactic given that a few EU count…

Technically, both compatibility with EU law and international law is yet to be decided, with the international law incompatibility already being pretty obvious. In Germany, the latter incompatibility is not immediately problematic. This may be different for other countries. The former may still manifest insofar as lawsuits will be brought forward.

However, we're already pretty sure that the current change in law will require further tuning as issues become apparent. Still, you need to start somewhere.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by exar0815 »

summarity wrote: post #5

> cultivate up to three marijuana plants at home I give it 3 microseconds until every single new rental contract / landlord prohibits this (and consumption). Also, here’s an article with slightly more info on limits and prohibited places: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-celebrates-legal-cannabis-posse...

As renter protection in Germany is extremely high, and for example smoking or animals cannot be prohibited with a lot of difficulty, I don't see how that could be legal.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by Longhanks »

summarity wrote: post #5

> cultivate up to three marijuana plants at home I give it 3 microseconds until every single new rental contract / landlord prohibits this (and consumption). Also, here’s an article with slightly more info on limits and prohibited places: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-celebrates-legal-cannabis-posse...

I can't think of a law that would allow landlords to enforce that in a rental contract. Renting is heavily regulated in Germany.

Consumption is different, but the new law is very specific in what is allowed and what isn't, and an unconditional ban is unlawful, as is already the case with cigarettes.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by yunohn »

summarity wrote: post #5

> cultivate up to three marijuana plants at home I give it 3 microseconds until every single new rental contract / landlord prohibits this (and consumption). Also, here’s an article with slightly more info on limits and prohibited places: https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-celebrates-legal-cannabis-posse...

This is the case in the Netherlands, despite a better legalization status. I’ve never seen a rental allow growing cannabis. Some larger rental agencies even perform yearly inspections.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by Longhanks »

spqrr wrote: post #2

Consumption of all drugs is legal in Germany. The problem is buying/selling/production, as well as simple possession. I think this is the case in most countries.

However, bear in mind that consumption is grounds for investigation because of the high probability of illegal acquisition or production.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by treprinum »

yunohn wrote: post #11
dns_snek wrote: post #3

Nice one, Germany! Is there anything blocking the rest of EU from legalizing cannabis in this manner, aside from internal (national) politics? Whenever this topic comes up in our country, it's always met with opposition claiming that it would be against the EU regulations, or international treaties, or some other external blocker that we can't control. These reasons sound like a stall tactic given that a few EU count…

In my experience in Europe, the primary roadblock is the controlling moralistic conservatism exhibited by critics like those quoted in the article.

How about the horrible smell produced by those who smoke? It's super reckless to expose others to negative side-effects by somebody who can't control themselves and must smoke.

Re: Smoking cannabis is now legal in Germany

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Post by [deleted] »

amarant wrote: post #6
spqrr wrote: post #2

Consumption of all drugs is legal in Germany. The problem is buying/selling/production, as well as simple possession. I think this is the case in most countries.

You're probably right that it's the case in most countries, but an interesting counterexample is Sweden, where testing positive on a drug test is a criminal offence. Police can arrest you for appearing to be under the influence of drugs, and if they find any traces in a urine test, they'll fine you for it. I hope that legalization in Germany will lead to more sane laws in Sweden, but honestly, I'm not holding my brea…

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