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First-in-human implantation of bionic device to halt Crohn's disease (2023)

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Re: First-in-human implantation of bionic device to halt Crohn's disease (2023)

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Post by yosito »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #2

This paper seems to describe the general strategy: Neuronal regulation of the gut immune system and neuromodulation for treating inflammatory bowel disease https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8565205/ It would be incredible if it works, since it would avoid treatment with systemic immunosuppresives which can promote infection/cancer. However maybe there is still a local risk of the above? I would also be con…

I think most of these claims are BS, but I've met several people who have claimed to heal their own inflammatory diseases through non-medical practice to help regulate their vagus nerve. I know for me, these types of practices seem to help manage my symptoms. So maybe there is some connection.

Re: First-in-human implantation of bionic device to halt Crohn's disease (2023)

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Post by NotGMan »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #6
NotGMan wrote: post #3

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My two half-brothers have Crohn's. My step-sister's two boys have Crohn's. I don't have Crohn's. She doesn't have Crohn's. There's research ongoing into the genetics of Crohn's. Changing diet can help ameliorate the symptoms, but it won't cure it any better than "taking the air" in Switzerland will cure asthma. And stating so boldly that a "wrong diet" causes it? Just to reiterate, of five kids raised on the same die…

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Re: First-in-human implantation of bionic device to halt Crohn's disease (2023)

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Post by pazimzadeh »

yosito wrote: post #11
pazimzadeh wrote: post #2

This paper seems to describe the general strategy: Neuronal regulation of the gut immune system and neuromodulation for treating inflammatory bowel disease https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8565205/ It would be incredible if it works, since it would avoid treatment with systemic immunosuppresives which can promote infection/cancer. However maybe there is still a local risk of the above? I would also be con…

I think most of these claims are BS, but I've met several people who have claimed to heal their own inflammatory diseases through non-medical practice to help regulate their vagus nerve. I know for me, these types of practices seem to help manage my symptoms. So maybe there is some connection.

What claims are BS. What did your friends do wrt their vagal nerve

Re: First-in-human implantation of bionic device to halt Crohn's disease (2023)

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Post by roschdal »

pas wrote: post #8
roschdal wrote: post #5

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I will just call my assistant to get the jet and shack ready in the Hamptons, and to cancel all my meetings!

This is a logical fallacy argument where you exaggerate. What I describe can be done in most locations, no Hamptons needed.

Re: First-in-human implantation of bionic device to halt Crohn's disease (2023)

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Post by trebligdivad »

pazimzadeh wrote: post #2

This paper seems to describe the general strategy: Neuronal regulation of the gut immune system and neuromodulation for treating inflammatory bowel disease https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8565205/ It would be incredible if it works, since it would avoid treatment with systemic immunosuppresives which can promote infection/cancer. However maybe there is still a local risk of the above? I would also be con…

> I would also be concerned about the implant getting covered in nasty biofilms over time.

The implant doesn't necessarily sit inside the gut though does it ? Just somewhere it can ping the relevant nerve.

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Post by pazimzadeh »

trebligdivad wrote: post #18
pazimzadeh wrote: post #2

This paper seems to describe the general strategy: Neuronal regulation of the gut immune system and neuromodulation for treating inflammatory bowel disease https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8565205/ It would be incredible if it works, since it would avoid treatment with systemic immunosuppresives which can promote infection/cancer. However maybe there is still a local risk of the above? I would also be con…

> I would also be concerned about the implant getting covered in nasty biofilms over time. The implant doesn't necessarily sit inside the gut though does it ? Just somewhere it can ping the relevant nerve.

I don't have the citation for this, but I learned in a class long ago that most implanted devices end up covered in biofilms, it's only a matter of time. Especially if it's plastic. e.g. breast implants, catheters, etc.

Re: First-in-human implantation of bionic device to halt Crohn's disease (2023)

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Post by cco »

roschdal wrote: post #5

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Having had a friend who went about as extreme as you can go in natural healing for Crohn's (he literally loves as a traditional shepherd in the wilderness), it works, but it doesn't cure it.

Living off his animals and wild food keeps Crohn's symptoms to a minimum for him, but he'll still have flair ups. Stress doesn't only come from fluorescent offices!

For most people, your advice will certainly help, but many people will still suffer from the disease for their lifetime and will still need medical intervention. Crohn's is a very serious disease and can be deadly without medical care.

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