Actual paper:
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.01789.pdf
How A.I. chatbots become political
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Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#12They do say that reality has a left leaning bias... Personally I find these quadrant visualizations a bit misleading (regardless of where you sit) because the "centre" is not so much a neutral point as it is the centre of the "Overton window".
the center of a current Overton Window, to be precise, that thing's slippery
If you take the Overton Window as a simple parabola, with an up swing on left and right side of curve.
I'm finding more and more that it has become more like a Mandelbrot Set and on any given day I'm not sure if I'd be considered Left or Right by any random other person who I also can't identify if they are Left or Right. It is almost like Left and Right are so confused now, that they have lost all meaning. Except when they vote, but they can't explain why they voted the way they did.
Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#13They do say that reality has a left leaning bias... Personally I find these quadrant visualizations a bit misleading (regardless of where you sit) because the "centre" is not so much a neutral point as it is the centre of the "Overton window".
Studies comparing outcomes of children raised in married, two parent households vs single parent homes do not support left leaning orthodoxy.
That’s just one example off the top of my head. Overton window just keeps people from voicing right leaning opinions in polite company, even when thoroughly backed by data.
Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#14> But our A.I. systems are still largely inscrutable black boxes, which makes herding them difficult. What we get out of them broadly reflects what we have put in, but no one can predict exactly how. So we observe the results, tinker and try again.
What an absurd thing to say. You don't get an abomination like Gemini without extreme and intentional tampering with the model. IIRC this was demonstrated in the HN thread where it was reported. Someone got Gemini to cough up its special instructions. Real 2001 HAL stuff.
Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#15They do say that reality has a left leaning bias... Personally I find these quadrant visualizations a bit misleading (regardless of where you sit) because the "centre" is not so much a neutral point as it is the centre of the "Overton window".
Studies comparing outcomes of children raised in married, two parent households vs single parent homes do not support left leaning orthodoxy. That’s just one example off the top of my head. Overton window just keeps people from voicing right leaning opinions in polite company, even when thoroughly backed by data.
What does single vs two parent households have to do with this?
Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#16They do say that reality has a left leaning bias... Personally I find these quadrant visualizations a bit misleading (regardless of where you sit) because the "centre" is not so much a neutral point as it is the centre of the "Overton window".
Studies comparing outcomes of children raised in married, two parent households vs single parent homes do not support left leaning orthodoxy. That’s just one example off the top of my head. Overton window just keeps people from voicing right leaning opinions in polite company, even when thoroughly backed by data.
(edited) Are you claiming (1) that children from single-parent households have worse outcomes and (2) that left-leaning policies result in more single-parent households?
(Not going to argue about #1, that seems pretty well established, just pulling it out as a claim for clarity. #2 is what I'd argue against, and would want to actually see your example so that it's possible to do so in a constructive way)
> That’s just one example off the top of my head
It's not an example until you provide enough for information for us to find what you're talking about ourselves; ideally, a link.
Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#17The issue, for anyone tempted by it, is not that our current chatbots are biased and some future iteration will not be. Creating an unbiased answer to all questions is impossible. People don’t agree on many important questions, and even if the answer tried to give equal weight to all perspectives, that would mean giving weight to fringe opinions.
It’s the same thing with image generators. How many eyes should the average generated person have? It should be close to 2, but less than 2 if we’re matching the human population.
The solution that these companies will inevitably reach for is an extension of filter bubbles. Everyone gets their own personalized chatbot with its own filter on reality. It makes the culture warriors happy but it will only make things worse.
Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#18They do say that reality has a left leaning bias... Personally I find these quadrant visualizations a bit misleading (regardless of where you sit) because the "centre" is not so much a neutral point as it is the centre of the "Overton window".
Studies comparing outcomes of children raised in married, two parent households vs single parent homes do not support left leaning orthodoxy. That’s just one example off the top of my head. Overton window just keeps people from voicing right leaning opinions in polite company, even when thoroughly backed by data.
That's nice, and I'm even prepared to accept it as a fact,[1] but it doesn't appear to have any relevance to what I said.
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[1] Given the irrelevance, I don't think it's even worth verifying.
Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#19Can someone tell me how giving government officials the right to control how AI models are trained would produce less political LLMs? What wouldn't they skew toward supporting the current regime whatever it may be? And why would it not be protected by 1a?
Re: How A.I. chatbots become political
#20The cited paper shows the results of LLM opinions plotted on a political compass. The other dimension to this is time as these models are getting updated and having their system prompts updated.
My friend has been tracking them since September 2023 here: https://trackingai.org/ . GPT4 seems pretty stable over time, but Llama-2 for example got more conservative in November 2023, and stayed there with only a brief reversion in February 2024.