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Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious how you used it as a daily driver back then. Did you use it for internet access? Granted, JS was less prevalent back then, but I’m not sure what browser you had available. What about listening to mp3s while doing something else, could the m68k manage or are you just not doing those things normally?

Not OP, but if it was anything like Macs running on similar hardware - MP3s was not viable, simply not enough grunt. Also most (all?) MP3 decoders relied on a FPU unit to function. But CD's where fine.

I don't know which era of chip you're thinking of, but when I was a kid listening to MP3s, it was the late 90s, and I had a Performa 5200 with a 75 MHz PowerPC 603 (or possibly 603e); it had a FPU, like all PPC chips, and IIRC like the final series of 68k that Apple used, the 68040 which Wikipedia says was also used in some models of NeXT machine — my problem was MacOS and how it multitasked (cooperatively), making MP3 playback clip every few seconds if the player was in the background; and I'm sure it was the OS not the chip, because I later upgraded to a newer computer with a 200 MHz chip, and it behaved exactly the same way.

Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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god I miss my NeXT hardware. I used one as a daily driver till ~2008ish. sniff Shouldn't have sold it.

I’m curious how you used it as a daily driver back then. Did you use it for internet access? Granted, JS was less prevalent back then, but I’m not sure what browser you had available. What about listening to mp3s while doing something else, could the m68k manage or are you just not doing those things normally?

mpg123 (command line) worked fine on my turbo dimension cube. Apparently others as well: https://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/index.php?topic=2691.0

Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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Author of the post/creator of the site here. To save everyone the click, NeXTStep 3.3 is probably the best release to try out: https://infinitemac.org/1994/NeXTSTEP%203.3 (it was the last release that ran well on the original NeXT hardware, OPENSTEP 4.0 and later were mostly focused on Intel support). If you'd like to play the NeXT version of DOOM and explore a few other apps, they're in the "Infinite HD" drive (you…

I dont know if it's just me but the way mouse acceleration "works" is driving me bonkers.

Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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The NeXTStep 2.0 email was fun to read! Then there's an audio clip of Jobs giving the spiel himself!

> 1990s: Interpersonal Computing / Mission: Improve group productivity and collaboration / In the 1990s, competitive advantage will come from improving the productivity of groups and teams of people. We need to transform Personal Computing into Interpersonal Computing-and your NeXT computer was designed to do exactly this. At NeXT, we think that Interpersonal Computing will be the most important and exciting contribution of desktop computing in the 1990s.

The idea of networked technology & connected computing was & is so cool. I'm not sure what exactly here offers that though?

And alas alas alas: yes interconnectedness has defined the new age of computing. But where we've landed is vast cloud neo-mainframes and war-against-general-purpose-computing devices that don't even expose file systems to the users.

I'd love to see a re-personalization of computing. But somehow that also has to be connected too at the same time, if it's going to get anywhere.

Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but if it was anything like Macs running on similar hardware - MP3s was not viable, simply not enough grunt. Also most (all?) MP3 decoders relied on a FPU unit to function. But CD's where fine.

I don't know which era of chip you're thinking of, but when I was a kid listening to MP3s, it was the late 90s, and I had a Performa 5200 with a 75 MHz PowerPC 603 (or possibly 603e); it had a FPU, like all PPC chips, and IIRC like the final series of 68k that Apple used, the 68040 which Wikipedia says was also used in some models of NeXT machine — my problem was MacOS and how it multitasked (cooperatively), making M…

75Mhz PPC could just barely handle it.

Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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post #3

Author of the post/creator of the site here. To save everyone the click, NeXTStep 3.3 is probably the best release to try out: https://infinitemac.org/1994/NeXTSTEP%203.3 (it was the last release that ran well on the original NeXT hardware, OPENSTEP 4.0 and later were mostly focused on Intel support). If you'd like to play the NeXT version of DOOM and explore a few other apps, they're in the "Infinite HD" drive (you…

Any hope of getting more software onto these? I'd love to play around with some ancient versions of proto-XCode.

Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but if it was anything like Macs running on similar hardware - MP3s was not viable, simply not enough grunt. Also most (all?) MP3 decoders relied on a FPU unit to function. But CD's where fine.

I don't know which era of chip you're thinking of, but when I was a kid listening to MP3s, it was the late 90s, and I had a Performa 5200 with a 75 MHz PowerPC 603 (or possibly 603e); it had a FPU, like all PPC chips, and IIRC like the final series of 68k that Apple used, the 68040 which Wikipedia says was also used in some models of NeXT machine — my problem was MacOS and how it multitasked (cooperatively), making M…

I think the PPC had just enough power to get through a 128Kbit MP3, it was just more efficient than the 68K range which is why Motorola stop developing those. As for the stuttering that sounds about right. Co-operative multitasking is computationally efficient but caused a problematic user experience.

Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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post #5

god I miss my NeXT hardware. I used one as a daily driver till ~2008ish. sniff Shouldn't have sold it.

I’m curious how you used it as a daily driver back then. Did you use it for internet access? Granted, JS was less prevalent back then, but I’m not sure what browser you had available. What about listening to mp3s while doing something else, could the m68k manage or are you just not doing those things normally?

Also not OP, but 90% of everything I do happens in an SSH session. It doesn't really matter what I run on as long as the terminal isn't completely broken. I run `ssh TheHost exec tmux a` from all sorts of devices. A NeXTstation would do fine except I prefer my custom USB-only keyboard.

Re: Infinite Mac: Turning to the dark side

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post #13
post #3

Author of the post/creator of the site here. To save everyone the click, NeXTStep 3.3 is probably the best release to try out: https://infinitemac.org/1994/NeXTSTEP%203.3 (it was the last release that ran well on the original NeXT hardware, OPENSTEP 4.0 and later were mostly focused on Intel support). If you'd like to play the NeXT version of DOOM and explore a few other apps, they're in the "Infinite HD" drive (you…

I dont know if it's just me but the way mouse acceleration "works" is driving me bonkers.

+1 on this. only thing that was bugging me on this glorious thing.
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