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Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by gruez »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #5
popol12 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the assurances would need to include “that the applicant (Assange) is permitted to rely on the first amendment, that the applicant is not prejudiced at trial, including sentence, by reason of his nationality, that he is afforded the same first amendment protections as a United States citizen, and that the death penalty is not imposed”. I wonder what would happen if the US gave these assurances then broke them ? Als…

They can also easily give him a life sentence while claiming to maintain the "assurances"

That's... exactly what I expect given the assurance given? I'm not sure why there's any implication that the uk meant something else.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by master-lincoln »

popol12 wrote: post #3
e12e wrote: post #2

> Judges grant WikiLeaks founder permission to appeal against removal from UK but only if UK and US are unable to provide suitable assurances

> the assurances would need to include “that the applicant (Assange) is permitted to rely on the first amendment, that the applicant is not prejudiced at trial, including sentence, by reason of his nationality, that he is afforded the same first amendment protections as a United States citizen, and that the death penalty is not imposed”. I wonder what would happen if the US gave these assurances then broke them ? Als…

nothing, apart from some officials expressing disappointment

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by Tomte »

popol12 wrote: post #3
e12e wrote: post #2

> Judges grant WikiLeaks founder permission to appeal against removal from UK but only if UK and US are unable to provide suitable assurances

> the assurances would need to include “that the applicant (Assange) is permitted to rely on the first amendment, that the applicant is not prejudiced at trial, including sentence, by reason of his nationality, that he is afforded the same first amendment protections as a United States citizen, and that the death penalty is not imposed”. I wonder what would happen if the US gave these assurances then broke them ? Als…

> I wonder what would happen if the US gave these assurances then broke them ?

Regarding the death penalty part: extraditions from Germany (and probably all of Europe) would immediately stop in capital cases. Those all rely on American assurances, and the first time it's broken, courts will disregard them for a long time.

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Post by [deleted] »

popol12 wrote: post #3
e12e wrote: post #2

> Judges grant WikiLeaks founder permission to appeal against removal from UK but only if UK and US are unable to provide suitable assurances

> the assurances would need to include “that the applicant (Assange) is permitted to rely on the first amendment, that the applicant is not prejudiced at trial, including sentence, by reason of his nationality, that he is afforded the same first amendment protections as a United States citizen, and that the death penalty is not imposed”. I wonder what would happen if the US gave these assurances then broke them ? Als…

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Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by prmoustache »

I still don't understand how a country can grant extradition of a non US citizen to the USA for "espionage". Every country is potentially spying on every other country and it doesn't even matter if they are supposed to be allies or enemies. The only limits are resources.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by bakuninsbart »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #10
zarzavat wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the US would not be able to extradite anyone from a country that requires assurances ever again. Given that the US still has the death penalty for many crimes this would cripple its ability to extradite.

Well that's unlikely to happen, US have enough leverage to extradite anyone they want

Yeah, once you start kidnapping your allies citizens openly, a lot less goodwill will be returned. And the US isn't powerful enough to just bully the rest of the world without repercussions.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by xandrius »

alexey-salmin wrote: post #10
zarzavat wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then the US would not be able to extradite anyone from a country that requires assurances ever again. Given that the US still has the death penalty for many crimes this would cripple its ability to extradite.

Well that's unlikely to happen, US have enough leverage to extradite anyone they want

You'd think so and yet the rest of the world is what gives US its edge. Without it, they are to lose more than they win with Assange.

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by treprinum »

zarzavat wrote: post #6
popol12 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the assurances would need to include “that the applicant (Assange) is permitted to rely on the first amendment, that the applicant is not prejudiced at trial, including sentence, by reason of his nationality, that he is afforded the same first amendment protections as a United States citizen, and that the death penalty is not imposed”. I wonder what would happen if the US gave these assurances then broke them ? Als…

Then the US would not be able to extradite anyone from a country that requires assurances ever again. Given that the US still has the death penalty for many crimes this would cripple its ability to extradite.

If he is suicided ("sudden heart attack" etc.) that won't cause any issues wrt formal assurances (no official death penalty so all is good).

Re: Julian Assange granted permission to appeal against extradition to US

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Post by roenxi »

Tomte wrote: post #13
popol12 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the assurances would need to include “that the applicant (Assange) is permitted to rely on the first amendment, that the applicant is not prejudiced at trial, including sentence, by reason of his nationality, that he is afforded the same first amendment protections as a United States citizen, and that the death penalty is not imposed”. I wonder what would happen if the US gave these assurances then broke them ? Als…

> I wonder what would happen if the US gave these assurances then broke them ? Regarding the death penalty part: extraditions from Germany (and probably all of Europe) would immediately stop in capital cases. Those all rely on American assurances, and the first time it's broken, courts will disregard them for a long time.

"Would" is a strong word. "Might" seems a bit more reasonable. There is currently an escalating war in Europe and Germany has already rolled over and accepted the Nord Stream pipe as an act of God. Well, I don't actually know where their investigation is up to, but they're not acting like their infrastructure was attacked by a military. They're just taking it on the chin, probably some strongly worded diplomatic protests. If that was a pipeline heading in to the continental US a country would have been removed from the map by now.

With that so large in the rear view mirror, are they really in a position to start defying the US on extraditions? The US will claim this is a special case and Germany will probably go with it in practice.

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