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Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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Re: Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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Maybe I’m surrounded by the wrong people, but even amongst my educated peers their opinions are regurgitated. Not even from an interesting author but what they’ve seen online or in mainstream culture.

The only exception being my contrarian friend but his opinions aren’t any more intelligent, just different.

Has this really been any different since the dawn of modern propaganda though? The only difference is now we use it to sell goods not just political ideas.

I think the few who leave Plato’s cave on their own are far less than what we would like and those who remain will never truly be free. Their comfort lies in the cave.

Re: Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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> Agent Smith: "Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it’s beauty, it’s genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describ…

> the peak of your civilization

The more I think of it, the more I think this time was the actual peak of civilization (from a westerner's point of view). The Winter Olympics opening ceremony in Nagano in 98, when the world was singing the Ode to Joy was that peak moment for me [0]. After that, it went all downhill.

[0] https://youtu.be/7aGNei01fzQ?feature=shared&t=6290

Re: Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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Maybe I’m surrounded by the wrong people, but even amongst my educated peers their opinions are regurgitated. Not even from an interesting author but what they’ve seen online or in mainstream culture. The only exception being my contrarian friend but his opinions aren’t any more intelligent, just different. Has this really been any different since the dawn of modern propaganda though? The only difference is now we us…

I’ve always wondered how many truly unique brains are active at any given moment. How many words are parrots vs source?

Re: Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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> Agent Smith: "Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it’s beauty, it’s genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describ…

> the peak of your civilization The more I think of it, the more I think this time was the actual peak of civilization (from a westerner's point of view). The Winter Olympics opening ceremony in Nagano in 98, when the world was singing the Ode to Joy was that peak moment for me [0]. After that, it went all downhill. [0] https://youtu.be/7aGNei01fzQ?feature=shared&t=6290

Perhaps a bit earlier, in 1971 where we all could drink Coke in harmony: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2msbfN81Gm0

Re: Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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Random Matrix trivia: I recently discovered the “Adam Street bridge” where Trinity says “Because you have been down there Neo, you know that road, you know exactly where it ends” is the underpass right near central station in Sydney. So if you live in Sydney, that line is almost certainly true.

Re: Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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I always find it so interesting when people are eagerly ready to adopt The Matrix as metaphor for whatever they don't like, but are often vehemently against entertaining it as a literal concept.

25 years ago I thought "that's neat" for a clever film twist. Much like the Sixth Sense. But then a few years later I read Nick Bostrom's op-ed in the NYT, and started considering the notion seriously.

In the time since The Matrix we've shifted to a world where we've brought AI further than anyone thought it would be in their lifetimes with continued compounding gains, are using that tech to build virtual twins of ourselves and the world around us, and are even using AI to create dynamic agency and interactions within virtual worlds modeled off human thought processes.

Meanwhile we are still struggling to piece together the shattering realization that while our universe behaves as if continuous at large scales that at low fidelity it converts to discrete units at the point of stateful interactions (and reversed if the state is lost, much like a memory efficient program might do). We just sort of shrug and say it's 'weird' but take it for granted as how the world works because we've grown up knowing that's the case. I sometimes wonder if Einstein would have been so reluctant to think the moon doesn't exist when no one is looking at it if he had hundreds of parallels in virtual skyboxes where exactly that thing is the case when thinking about it.

We process time so linearly it can be hard to think about the future as prologue, but looking at the present relative to 25 years past and thinking about the future, it strikes me that the most preposterous concept in The Matrix was not the nature of its reality, but the notion that there were any bodies in pods somewhere to exit into.

Still, I have no doubt that in another 25 years we'll continue to see it embraced as metaphor while rejected in a more literal interpretation, just in a world where it reflects even less fiction vs science than today.

The irony is that AI agents in a virtual world, if correctly modeling human behavior, would also reject the same concept.

Re: Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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One thing I’ve noticed with AI tools is that many people are entirely willing to offload the thinking process to the machine. They don’t use it as a way to enhance their capabilities or come up with new ideas, but just to do the work entirely. It reminds me of this line from Agent Smith: …which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization. I say your civilization because as soon as we start…

There's also a more comedic take on that theme from SMBC: https://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3576

(Spoilers ahead) I actually like the comic very much; it's too uncomfortably plausible that humans might simply become too lazy and dependent on AGI to bother to maintain our own agency and thus doom ourselves.

Re: Are we all trapped in The Matrix 25 years later?

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> Agent Smith: "Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it’s beauty, it’s genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describ…

> the peak of your civilization The more I think of it, the more I think this time was the actual peak of civilization (from a westerner's point of view). The Winter Olympics opening ceremony in Nagano in 98, when the world was singing the Ode to Joy was that peak moment for me [0]. After that, it went all downhill. [0] https://youtu.be/7aGNei01fzQ?feature=shared&t=6290

So many posts mention years '98 & '99 as the "peak of civilisation". Them being years of my birth, these mentions & my experiences, enforce in me the feeling that I was born into a falling civilisation.

Not that I do not enjoy the vision of passing the stick from organic creatures, made by happenstance, to purpose built machines. But as a human, I do miss the endless opportunities of the 2000s chaos and I feel like they were better times than todays monitored, calculated, cold life under cameras & microphones.

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