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Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In simple terms, people want airports, but nobody wants an airport near their house.

And the state really shouldn’t care about these few. Probably rich enough to move but don’t want because blah blah.

"Few"? Almost no-one wants to live next door to an airport.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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The new Nancy Bird Walton airport in western Sydney is interesting. The existing airport is very close to the CBD and residential areas, and completely hemmed in by those and the bay it sits next to, so has little room to expand. It's also subject to a strict curfew being so close to residential areas.

The new airport is huge, being built at an impressive speed, and is going to be on a new metro line (which strangely doesn't link up to the existing metro lines in Sydney, and won't have a direct non-stop rail link). It's being built in a location that's currently "the middle of nowhere" so that it has scope to expand (they're currently building about half of what's already been planned for).

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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post #7

Very interesting to see how the noise of jet engines declined significantly. While reading the article I kept thinking, it feels like investing in noise reduction would really pay off, and then a few paragraphs later, there it was. I'm also intrigued by small airports, like the one in Rio, Santos Dumont. The shortest runways in the world. If you could reduce noise and control pollution, it is very nice to have an air…

Some small airports made sense at the time they were built, but no more (either because planes are bigger now or because construction around the airport was not adequately restricted in ensuing decades. Congonhas in Sao Paulo is an example of this, where it can only handle smaller domestic flights now because of the way the city has grown around it.

Here's a satellite photo: https://static.wixstatic.com/media/a27d24_a65c83caab794facb0...

(it would be like when you're landing at Reagan airport in DC and descending over the water... except that it's skyscrapers)

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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It’s nice that they’ve improved the noise issue, but there are a bunch of other environmental problems with airport construction and aviation generally which have not been solved and there doesn’t seem much interest in solving.

It’s probably for the best it’s hard to build airports whilst that remains the case.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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The new Nancy Bird Walton airport in western Sydney is interesting. The existing airport is very close to the CBD and residential areas, and completely hemmed in by those and the bay it sits next to, so has little room to expand. It's also subject to a strict curfew being so close to residential areas. The new airport is huge, being built at an impressive speed, and is going to be on a new metro line (which strangely…

Sounds very similar to Dulles in Washington DC. We eventually ran a rail line to it, and it eventually wasn’t the middle of nowhere any more.

Hopefully the rail link takes less than 60 years in your case =)

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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> As air travel greatly expanded in the 1960s and 70s, there were “no more virulent domestic conflicts… in the advanced industrial world than those over airport construction.”

I can't keep reading this article seriously. Civil rights movements are the obvious domestic conflict at the time, but even in transportation this is wrong. There were huge conflicts in "highway revolts" [1] or conflicts over suburbanization, urban renewal, and how much of the city to turn over to cars. The kind of thing Robert Moses started but governments around the developed world were doing in these decades. Governments siezed entire neighborhoods deemed to be "slums" to build a highway so suburban commuters could have an easier commute downtown.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_revolt

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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post #2

Long & interesting...but a pretty good tl;dr; is: "NIMBY's are why we can't build any major infrastructure any more".

For every other non-native speaker like me, lmgtfu: NIMBY (/ˈnɪmbi/, or nimby), an acronym for the phrase "not in my back yard", is a characterization of opposition by residents to proposed infrastructure developments in their local area, as well as support for strict land use regulations.

what does lmgtfu mean?

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

#18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For every other non-native speaker like me, lmgtfu: NIMBY (/ˈnɪmbi/, or nimby), an acronym for the phrase "not in my back yard", is a characterization of opposition by residents to proposed infrastructure developments in their local area, as well as support for strict land use regulations.

In simple terms, people want airports, but nobody wants an airport near their house.

...same as with major roads, train lines, power lines, power plants (including but not limited to nuclear and wind), affordable (i.e. high density) housing etc. etc.

Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For every other non-native speaker like me, lmgtfu: NIMBY (/ˈnɪmbi/, or nimby), an acronym for the phrase "not in my back yard", is a characterization of opposition by residents to proposed infrastructure developments in their local area, as well as support for strict land use regulations.

what does lmgtfu mean?

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Re: Why is it so hard to build an airport?

#20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For every other non-native speaker like me, lmgtfu: NIMBY (/ˈnɪmbi/, or nimby), an acronym for the phrase "not in my back yard", is a characterization of opposition by residents to proposed infrastructure developments in their local area, as well as support for strict land use regulations.

what does lmgtfu mean?

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