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Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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A good first step to the chicken and egg problem. Living in Wisconsin I have never seen an electrical charging station. >Local government entities and state agencies would not be allowed to operate public charging stations but could run their own stations to charge their vehicles. I'm confused at why this was included in the regulation. Would companies really refuse to build stations without this stipulation? It remi…

MG&E built one on the Madison isthmus[0], but they’re already a utility company.

[0]: https://www.mge.com/lovev/charging/charge-go#/find/nearest?c...

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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You mean the lack of one? Or the possibility of one?

The currently undermaintained commercial ones that follow the federal standard are bad, I suspect it will be a steep bell curve down in quality for a state charging system that follows federal standards

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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A good first step to the chicken and egg problem. Living in Wisconsin I have never seen an electrical charging station. >Local government entities and state agencies would not be allowed to operate public charging stations but could run their own stations to charge their vehicles. I'm confused at why this was included in the regulation. Would companies really refuse to build stations without this stipulation? It remi…

I think I’ve seen them in Kohl’s parking lots… but that’s about it.

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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I'll note that this is part of FHWA and DOE's Alternate Fuel Corridors program, and many states applied for and got similar grants. https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/alternative_fuel_corrid... https://afdc.energy.gov/corridors Personally, I'm glad most of the money seems to be going to electric charging stations vs hydrogen and alternate hydrocarbon fueling stations. I would have preferred if the program had focus…

Look where Tesla puts their Superchargers [1]. There’s a reason they go at businesses instead of rest areas. If you site them where they are at the whim of politics, your infra is in constant political/bureaucratic peril. Businesses are incentivized to keep customers coming. Tangentially, the EV chargers are always out of order at O’hare and Midway airport parking lots. The Superchargers at the nearby gas station (OR…

> where they are at the whim of politics, your infra is in constant political/bureaucratic peril

Whims like this: https://apnews.com/article/new-york-rest-stops-chick-fil-a-1...

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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A good first step to the chicken and egg problem. Living in Wisconsin I have never seen an electrical charging station. >Local government entities and state agencies would not be allowed to operate public charging stations but could run their own stations to charge their vehicles. I'm confused at why this was included in the regulation. Would companies really refuse to build stations without this stipulation? It remi…

Eau Claire, WI - a pretty small town has at least three DCFC - EA, Tesla & a local electric company plus tons of level 2 all over.

> I'm confused at why this was included in the regulation

The WI GOP. At least you can pay by the kWh in WI now instead of by the minute with this law.

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look where Tesla puts their Superchargers [1]. There’s a reason they go at businesses instead of rest areas. If you site them where they are at the whim of politics, your infra is in constant political/bureaucratic peril. Businesses are incentivized to keep customers coming. Tangentially, the EV chargers are always out of order at O’hare and Midway airport parking lots. The Superchargers at the nearby gas station (OR…

> where they are at the whim of politics, your infra is in constant political/bureaucratic peril Whims like this: https://apnews.com/article/new-york-rest-stops-chick-fil-a-1...

Distinct issue. You’re serving transport infra, you do what the landlord says or make way for another business that will. People travel on Sundays and want to eat, regardless of your belief system.

Totally different than EV charging infra uptime and availability.

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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GOOD! I wish anti-EV states would follow suit. EV chargers are a landmine for business/income taxes. Unlike a gas station, people have to wait at least 15 minutes to charge their vehicle. You could have TikTok-theaters (theaters that show trending videos across TikTok), pop-ups, restaurants, etc.

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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My city spent a stupid amount of money to build 13 slow chargers across the city based on public feedback. I have zero faith that this will fare any better.

The best EV charger is the one installed in the home. If the government actually wanted to spur adoption it would be through easing permitting and creating boilerplate contract language for apartment and condo chargers.

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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I hate how we are doubling down on car centric transportation. Whether it’s an ICE or EV. At the end of the day, it’s another car on the road.

We take one step further with reducing or zeroing out tail pipe emissions. But take 3 steps backwards because department of ~~~highway~~~ transportation engineers feel the need to expand the expensive highways to accommodate increased demand. Ignoring all historical evidence that widening interstate highways or state regional roads is not an efficient way to resolve the issue.

Let’s not forget the increased amount of tire wear particles released into the environment, brake dust, and eventually the e-waste when lithium based battery packs need to be changed out.

Also where are these vehicles going to be stored? More parking garages. Less walkable infrastructure. More subsidies for the suburban rat at the expense of cities. More heavier cars, trucks, and SUVs on the road means existing infrastructure breaks down must faster. Thus the need to replace more often or maintain more often. All of this at the expense of local cities and state budgets. Also most cities tend to ask voters to approve municipal bonds for such improvements. These are private financial instruments or loans that need to be paid back to private investors. Each new muni bond is one more step towards filing for bankruptcy (hello Detroit!)

Instead of spending money on the people. We are spending it on stupid car centric infrastructure. Forget mental health, social support, universal basic income, housing for everyone, easily accessible public transportation, improved paramedic, fire and police response times.

We wAnT mOrE eXpEnSiVe RoAdS aNd hIgHwAyS aNd fReE pArKiNg GaRaGeS!!111

Re: Governor signs bills creating EV charging station network across Wisconsin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> where they are at the whim of politics, your infra is in constant political/bureaucratic peril Whims like this: https://apnews.com/article/new-york-rest-stops-chick-fil-a-1...

Distinct issue. You’re serving transport infra, you do what the landlord says or make way for another business that will. People travel on Sundays and want to eat, regardless of your belief system. Totally different than EV charging infra uptime and availability.

Regardless of their believe system, having a guaranteed day off every week is a nice perk in the fast food industry.
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