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Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by __loam »

wyldfire wrote: post #8
api wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. It's just more obvious with open models because we can investigate them. Closed models are sausages and we don't know what went in. Download a movie and you can get sued or your Internet connection terminated, but pirate the entire collective output of humanity and sell it back to us from beh…

> Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. Could it ever be the case, I wonder, if we could trust/enforce/believe that a model had so abstracted what it learned from the training inputs such that the model was not a derived work from them? I've seen the examples where the model is able to reproduce recognizable characters from popular media. Those look like they might be "just" overfitting? Whil…

I think it's obviously problematic that these companies are deriving value from millions of people without compensating them, while creating a product that competes with those masses.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by wyldfire »

api wrote: post #10
wyldfire wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. Could it ever be the case, I wonder, if we could trust/enforce/believe that a model had so abstracted what it learned from the training inputs such that the model was not a derived work from them? I've seen the examples where the model is able to reproduce recognizable characters from popular media. Those look like they might be "just" overfitting? Whil…

They could at least make an effort to purchase licenses from all non-open content, comply with open licenses, and exclude content otherwise. They aren't making anything more than the most lame token effort because they don't care.

But that's just it - if we believe that what the model learns from the training material is abstract enough, they shouldn't license the content at all. Humans learn from and are inspired by art all the time. They create new works that are not considered derived works, despite there being obvious influence. Could we conceive of the same circumstance being possible with machine learning?

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by __loam »

altruios wrote: post #9
api wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire AI industry is powered by piracy at a massive scale. Very little training data is properly licensed or compensated. It's just more obvious with open models because we can investigate them. Closed models are sausages and we don't know what went in. Download a movie and you can get sued or your Internet connection terminated, but pirate the entire collective output of humanity and sell it back to us from beh…

>and sell it back to us from behind a paywall and that's fine. That's the sticking point. If it's an open tool for humanity's benefit being created given back to us, that's one thing... but to sell it back to us... With that said, piracy is close to what's happening... but I think we should be careful classifying where/what exactly is the matter. I reason I think that matter's lies may be down the end of a slippery s…

These companies need to make money because they took VC money and training these things take 10s if not 100s of millions of dollars.

Also nice to see the complete nonsense of digital mind uploading on hackernews vis a vis this discussion. If that happens we'd need to change a lot of laws anyway.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by 123yawaworht456 »

__loam wrote: post #2

Stability always seemed like a dark horse thanks to the reputation of their founder and their open source business model. I do get some schadenfreude from seeing them like this considering the damage many feel they've done to the art community. E: -4 in 10 minutes. Stay classy hackernews. I hope this company and OpenAI choke on the algorithmic disgorgement when the law catches up.

reddit is down the hall and to the left.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by mvdtnz »

pksebben wrote: post #16
ruleryak wrote: post #13

Archived non paywall copy of the article: https://archive.is/iRIlp

Cheers to you, good citizen. I wish more people started with such links rather than waiting for someone else to make it easy to have a discussion.

That's a violation of HN guidelines.

Re: Key Stable Diffusion Researchers Leave Stability AI as Company Flounders

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Post by __loam »

123yawaworht456 wrote: post #17
__loam wrote: post #2

Stability always seemed like a dark horse thanks to the reputation of their founder and their open source business model. I do get some schadenfreude from seeing them like this considering the damage many feel they've done to the art community. E: -4 in 10 minutes. Stay classy hackernews. I hope this company and OpenAI choke on the algorithmic disgorgement when the law catches up.

reddit is down the hall and to the left.

Sure. It's clear this community isn't open to critical views on this topic.
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