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Re: Gaza's Imminent Famine: 1.1M Face Catastrophic Food Insecurity

#11

Post by ChumpGPT »

Qem wrote: post #10
ChumpGPT wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel may not allow them back in again. Never thought of that... I really hope those people get food, it would be a shame for Israel to become the moral twin of the NAZI.

> Never thought of that... By last year's end, real estate agents in Israel already started releasing concept art for beachfront properties built in stolen palestinian lands from Gaza Strip: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1846727/israel-real-est... There is a recurrent misunderstanding in this conflict, where people think it is a religious war. It's not. It's plain old landgrabbing and pillaging. The best histo…

>Putin views Ukrainians as Russians and wants to forcibly incorporate them in his nation.

You couldn't be more wrong. Putin's goal is to exterminate the Ukrainian people. Russia has been trying to do that for over a century. Taleb needs to read some history, preferably not Russian written.

>we see lots of comparisons between Gaza and Ukraine, but one important difference

You missed the other important difference, Ukraine never attacked Russia, Hamas/Gaza attacked Israel.

Taleb is a fool if that is what he thinks.

Re: Gaza's Imminent Famine: 1.1M Face Catastrophic Food Insecurity

#13

Post by dunekid »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #11
Qem wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Never thought of that... By last year's end, real estate agents in Israel already started releasing concept art for beachfront properties built in stolen palestinian lands from Gaza Strip: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1846727/israel-real-est... There is a recurrent misunderstanding in this conflict, where people think it is a religious war. It's not. It's plain old landgrabbing and pillaging. The best histo…

>Putin views Ukrainians as Russians and wants to forcibly incorporate them in his nation. You couldn't be more wrong. Putin's goal is to exterminate the Ukrainian people. Russia has been trying to do that for over a century. Taleb needs to read some history, preferably not Russian written. >we see lots of comparisons between Gaza and Ukraine, but one important difference You missed the other important difference, Ukr…

One correction, the entire palestinian territory was attached by israel, forcefully. It's as if ukraine attacking its own territory, which it does now, because the russians are ruling those parts. Not to mention the massacres committed against the people in 1948, as part of foundation. And the continued discrimination. EU and US are sanctioning people who settle in westbank now. Is Russia going to Kiev and attaching homes from the Ukrainians, and giving to people from Moscow?

Re: Gaza's Imminent Famine: 1.1M Face Catastrophic Food Insecurity

#14

Post by runarberg »

dunekid wrote: post #13
ChumpGPT wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Putin views Ukrainians as Russians and wants to forcibly incorporate them in his nation. You couldn't be more wrong. Putin's goal is to exterminate the Ukrainian people. Russia has been trying to do that for over a century. Taleb needs to read some history, preferably not Russian written. >we see lots of comparisons between Gaza and Ukraine, but one important difference You missed the other important difference, Ukr…

One correction, the entire palestinian territory was attached by israel, forcefully. It's as if ukraine attacking its own territory, which it does now, because the russians are ruling those parts. Not to mention the massacres committed against the people in 1948, as part of foundation. And the continued discrimination. EU and US are sanctioning people who settle in westbank now. Is Russia going to Kiev and attaching…

I think there are so many important differences it that any comparison is bound to be unhelpful.

To name a few:

- Ethnic differences: Ukrainians and Russians have a lot of shared heritage, while Arabic Jews have largely assimilated into the European settlers, so there is not a lot of shared heritage between Israel and Palestine.

- Size of respective military: While the Russian military is an order of magnitude larger than the Ukrainian one, the Israel army is several orders of magnitude larger than any armed resistance of the Palestinians.

- International recognition: While both the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem are internationally recognized Palestinian territory, and the Palestinian Authority is the recognized government of Palestine, Palestine is merely an observer state of the UN, not a full member like Ukraine. And importantly powerful western nations don’t recognize Palestine as a state (even though most of the world does).

- Nature of armed resistance: Palestinian resistance is done by non-state actors using guerilla tactics, while Ukraine has a conventional military controlled by the state.

- Control over territory: Ukraine controlled most of its own territory before the war, Palestine only controlled Gaza, and only partially, and the the limited control was held by a political organization which is distinct from the internationally recognized one.

I think if we want to look for comparisons, we don’t actually need to go all the way back to the crusades, it is enough to look at European colonial warfare post WW2. Where Europe was desperately trying to hold on to their colonies, e.g. in Algeria or Kenya in the 50s, Vietnam in the 60s, Angola in the 70s, etc. Even Northern Ireland in the 90s (although Ireland in the early 20s is more like it).

Nassim Nicholas Taleb actually started his tweet by saying:

> Comparisons between Ukraine and Gaza are bad verbalisms.

Bad indeed.

Re: Gaza's Imminent Famine: 1.1M Face Catastrophic Food Insecurity

#16

Post by ChumpGPT »

runarberg wrote: post #14
dunekid wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One correction, the entire palestinian territory was attached by israel, forcefully. It's as if ukraine attacking its own territory, which it does now, because the russians are ruling those parts. Not to mention the massacres committed against the people in 1948, as part of foundation. And the continued discrimination. EU and US are sanctioning people who settle in westbank now. Is Russia going to Kiev and attaching…

I think there are so many important differences it that any comparison is bound to be unhelpful. To name a few: - Ethnic differences: Ukrainians and Russians have a lot of shared heritage, while Arabic Jews have largely assimilated into the European settlers, so there is not a lot of shared heritage between Israel and Palestine. - Size of respective military: While the Russian military is an order of magnitude larger…

>Ukrainians and Russians have a lot of shared heritage

This is something Russians want you to believe. Russians share more heritage with Mongols than Ukrainians. Russians are not that Slavic.

In an attempt to hide their true identity they continue to spread these false hoods and folks like you repeat them.

Re: Gaza's Imminent Famine: 1.1M Face Catastrophic Food Insecurity

#17

Post by runarberg »

ChumpGPT wrote: post #16
runarberg wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are so many important differences it that any comparison is bound to be unhelpful. To name a few: - Ethnic differences: Ukrainians and Russians have a lot of shared heritage, while Arabic Jews have largely assimilated into the European settlers, so there is not a lot of shared heritage between Israel and Palestine. - Size of respective military: While the Russian military is an order of magnitude larger…

>Ukrainians and Russians have a lot of shared heritage This is something Russians want you to believe. Russians share more heritage with Mongols than Ukrainians. Russians are not that Slavic. In an attempt to hide their true identity they continue to spread these false hoods and folks like you repeat them.

I don’t know what that has to do with anything.

Also that is just not true. Looking at the Mongol culture, they don’t share religion, language roots, architecture, dances, hunting practice, literature, economy, sports etc. with Russia. However Ukraine—while distinct—has a lot in common.

Russia shares a tiny bit of history and some of the gene pool with the Mongols, however Russia shares a lot more of it’s history and much much more of its gene pool with Ukraine. And also the gene pool is a very unimportant—if any—part of shared heritage.

Re: Gaza's Imminent Famine: 1.1M Face Catastrophic Food Insecurity

#18

Post by dunekid »

Qem wrote: post #10
ChumpGPT wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Israel may not allow them back in again. Never thought of that... I really hope those people get food, it would be a shame for Israel to become the moral twin of the NAZI.

> Never thought of that... By last year's end, real estate agents in Israel already started releasing concept art for beachfront properties built in stolen palestinian lands from Gaza Strip: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1846727/israel-real-est... There is a recurrent misunderstanding in this conflict, where people think it is a religious war. It's not. It's plain old landgrabbing and pillaging. The best histo…

I think these are to be read along with this comments from Jared Kushner. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/19/jared-kushne...
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