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Does the TikTok bill pave the way for a "Great Firewall of the USA"?

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Re: Does the TikTok bill pave the way for a "Great Firewall of the USA"?

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Post by cdwifi »

nabla9 wrote: post #7
cdwifi wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is true, but unless they do not enforce the law, they will still need something to make sure such "relatively large sites" cannot be accessed. This is where the OP's comments come in.

The enforcement actions of the law are strictly limited to those listed in the law. AG is specially not authorized to use other enforcement mechanisms than what are listed. This is not "by all means necessary" type issue. It the only enforcement is monetary penalties under civil law. AG has option to seek even more declaratory and injunctive reliefs if $500 per user is not enough.

Fair enough, though that would suggest it won't be enforced as it cannot be enforced. As long as it is about a software repository (aka "app store") under US jurisdiction they can still force them to take the application offline.

What do they do with foreign "app stores"? What do they do with websites?

Re: Does the TikTok bill pave the way for a "Great Firewall of the USA"?

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Post by nabla9 »

cdwifi wrote: post #11
nabla9 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The enforcement actions of the law are strictly limited to those listed in the law. AG is specially not authorized to use other enforcement mechanisms than what are listed. This is not "by all means necessary" type issue. It the only enforcement is monetary penalties under civil law. AG has option to seek even more declaratory and injunctive reliefs if $500 per user is not enough.

Fair enough, though that would suggest it won't be enforced as it cannot be enforced. As long as it is about a software repository (aka "app store") under US jurisdiction they can still force them to take the application offline. What do they do with foreign "app stores"? What do they do with websites?

So you are trying to learn what the document says by making wild conjectures and hope that someone who has read it explains why you are wrong.

Re: Does the TikTok bill pave the way for a "Great Firewall of the USA"?

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Post by tmaly »

I recall the Patriot Act was supposed to only apply to foreign terrorists.

But somehow law enforcement started using it on domestic targets.

Look at FISA 702, it again is supposed to target foreigners, but they use it as a way to snoop on Americans.

I fear this bill will be used the same way.

Re: Does the TikTok bill pave the way for a "Great Firewall of the USA"?

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Post by tmaly »

max_sendfeld wrote: post #9
beardyw wrote: post #8

> a foreign person Once again .. "It's not that they're wicked or naturally bad It's knowing they're foreign that makes them so mad!" Flanders and Swann

It speaks specifically about "Foreign Adversaries" which - to my knowledge - is limited to China, Russia, Iran and North Korea.

That list can be changed. It is all semantics.

Re: Does the TikTok bill pave the way for a "Great Firewall of the USA"?

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Post by thiagoharry »

austin-cheney wrote: post #16

Your concerns are misplaced. Its not about the technology, but the business model. TikTok is owned by ByteDance and ByteDance owns/stores TikTok's data in China.

Whichever data they store, they are not the data of US users as far as it is known. It is Oracle, an american company who stores Tik Tok data in the US, as required by current US regulations.

Re: Does the TikTok bill pave the way for a "Great Firewall of the USA"?

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Post by cdwifi »

nabla9 wrote: post #13
cdwifi wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair enough, though that would suggest it won't be enforced as it cannot be enforced. As long as it is about a software repository (aka "app store") under US jurisdiction they can still force them to take the application offline. What do they do with foreign "app stores"? What do they do with websites?

So you are trying to learn what the document says by making wild conjectures and hope that someone who has read it explains why you are wrong.

It's a simple question: how do they enforce the law or do they not?
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