Is that even legal to have it closed source in a democracy???
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Ukraine open sourced it's star government services app
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Open source is a gift left by the wayside for people to pick up or not. It's not a customer-vendor relationship. You're free to react as you want, but it's good to keep in mind that if you want the maintainers to care, you should be willing to enter into a customer-vendor relationship.
I would agree with you unless this was the official government app for interacting with the government. They have a bigger responsibility than a random library. It is nice that it's open source though so people can audit it.
Re: Ukraine open sourced it's star government services app
#13Is that even legal to have it closed source in a democracy???
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Yes it is. And a democracy under (quite literal) attack by hostile forces.
Ukraine does have its flaws, with the influence of the oligarchs being a major one, but to not consider it a democracy would just be silly.
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Open source is a gift left by the wayside for people to pick up or not. It's not a customer-vendor relationship. You're free to react as you want, but it's good to keep in mind that if you want the maintainers to care, you should be willing to enter into a customer-vendor relationship.
I would agree with you unless this was the official government app for interacting with the government. They have a bigger responsibility than a random library. It is nice that it's open source though so people can audit it.
Audit, you say.
I once put an easter egg into some open source code used by many millions of people. Nobody found it until a colleague talked about it at a conference maybe a decade later.
People talk about audits, I at least don't think audits can be relied upon to find much. It's nice when audits happen, don't misunderstand, but I don't assume that opening the source of something means that any badness will be found. That assumption requires several leaps of faith.
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Yes it is. And a democracy under (quite literal) attack by hostile forces. Ukraine does have its flaws, with the influence of the oligarchs being a major one, but to not consider it a democracy would just be silly.
"Now is not the right time for elections" - Zelenskyy the stalwart defender of Democracy™
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Yes it is. And a democracy under (quite literal) attack by hostile forces. Ukraine does have its flaws, with the influence of the oligarchs being a major one, but to not consider it a democracy would just be silly.
"Now is not the right time for elections" - Zelenskyy the stalwart defender of Democracy™
> "Now is not the right time for elections" - Zelenskyy the stalwart defender of Democracy™
Its literally part of there constitution that they don't have elections whilst they are at war, and from a practical standpoint how would it even work for territories on the front line or under occupation?.
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Yes it is. And a democracy under (quite literal) attack by hostile forces. Ukraine does have its flaws, with the influence of the oligarchs being a major one, but to not consider it a democracy would just be silly.
"Now is not the right time for elections" - Zelenskyy the stalwart defender of Democracy™
Was the UK one of the powers of democracy fighting against dictatorships in WW2?
UK paused elections for 5-6 years during an existential war. Ukraine is currently fighting an existential war.
It’s very likely that all continental European democracies also would have voluntarily suspended elections, but they were occupied by the German Nazi government and not given a choice.
Finland, another democracy, also decided not to have their people vote for a new president in 1940 due to WW2. They also postponed their 1943 parliamentary elections.
> Due to the lingering threat of another war and the Karelian refugees' dispersal throughout Finland, regular presidential elections were cancelled, and instead the two hundred and eighty eight 1937 presidential electors were summoned to select a new President.
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"Now is not the right time for elections" - Zelenskyy the stalwart defender of Democracy™
Was the UK one of the powers of democracy fighting against dictatorships in WW2? UK paused elections for 5-6 years during an existential war. Ukraine is currently fighting an existential war. It’s very likely that all continental European democracies also would have voluntarily suspended elections, but they were occupied by the German Nazi government and not given a choice. Finland, another democracy, also decided no…
I figured with these new election security measures, that lead to the most secure election in history here in the US, they could securely hold an election. Just mail out ballots to registered voters addresses and have drop boxes.
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I would agree with you unless this was the official government app for interacting with the government. They have a bigger responsibility than a random library. It is nice that it's open source though so people can audit it.
Audit, you say. I once put an easter egg into some open source code used by many millions of people. Nobody found it until a colleague talked about it at a conference maybe a decade later. People talk about audits, I at least don't think audits can be relied upon to find much. It's nice when audits happen, don't misunderstand, but I don't assume that opening the source of something means that any badness will be foun…
I'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt, I don't assume anything.