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Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by vivekd »

lwansbrough wrote: post #8
Erikun wrote: post #7

It’s a pretty interesting development. I wonder what the legal framework for someone living there will be if they’re not a First Nation citizen? From the article: “ But Indigenous nations are accountable, first and foremost, to their own citizens. That could mean temporarily barring access to traditional lands, as in Joffre Lakes. It could also mean maximizing the economic potential of their property, to provide hous…

In terms of land/home ownership, what it has meant in other parts of the metro area, is leaseholds. You can “buy” a property at a slightly reduced cost which will be reclaimed after several decades (100 years?), usually starting from the time of development. In terms of laws, policing is handled by the local police force, ie. VPD. While there is rhetoric about sovereignty, practically speaking much of the challenging…

I remember reading that natives are not allowed to sell tribal lands in Canada

Might not be a huge bar though , they could put it up as rental property which we desperately need in Canadian cities - and their website suggests that's exactly what they're doing

https://senakw.com/vision

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by stavros »

lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

It was a woman, actually. Your point is valid, I just don't like how "white man" has become a slur.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by zmgsabst »

lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

That’s people’s objection to “woke” views on ethnicity:

You’ve returned to the world of racial essentialism, the most debunked form of racism, where you argue nonsense about what kinds of buildings people should make based on their ancestry. No matter how you dress it up in the language of civil rights, the racialized views promoted by the institutional left (eg, academia, media, and government) are built upon that racism — which we see articulated in your quote.

But if you touch grass, you’d know people consistently build with the best technology available to them — and have throughout history.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by EnigmaFlare »

lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

Find out what you're complaining about before getting race-baited into hating someone. The context of his statement might have made it perfectly reasonable. This article is obviously trying to paint everyone and their dog as a racist so don't trust it to be open about the context.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by [deleted] »

stavros wrote: post #12
lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

It was a woman, actually. Your point is valid, I just don't like how "white man" has become a slur.

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Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by raverbashing »

While NIMBYs of all different types (boomers, degrowters wining about "affordability", 'ecologists' and people talking about "character of the area" about some parking lot waste everybody's time) glad to see someone is actually doing stuff

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by badcppdev »

stavros wrote: post #12
lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

It was a woman, actually. Your point is valid, I just don't like how "white man" has become a slur.

I think the quote is from a white man called Gordon Price.

Full quote to assist you.

"In 2022, Gordon Price, a prominent Vancouver urban planner and a former city councillor, told Gitxsan reporter Angela Sterritt, “When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building."

"White man" can be used in that form when the white man appears to be telling a different culture what they can or cannot do or be.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by badcppdev »

EnigmaFlare wrote: post #14
lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

Find out what you're complaining about before getting race-baited into hating someone. The context of his statement might have made it perfectly reasonable. This article is obviously trying to paint everyone and their dog as a racist so don't trust it to be open about the context.

I think you need to provide some links with context because the article makes a compelling case that people are trying to block an indigenous group from exercising their agency.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by sgt »

lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

You're being downvoted because of statements like "Who the fuck are you, white man"

What if you said (in a different setting, where it would technically make sense): "Who the fuck are you, eskimo?"

I bet you wouldn't, because you've been programmed by woke media.

Re: Vancouver’s new mega-development is big, ambitious and Indigenous

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Post by mschuster91 »

zmgsabst wrote: post #13
lisper wrote: post #3

I think this is terrific. It's high time the indigenous people reclaimed their sovereignty. The idea that "When you’re building 30, 40-storey high rises out of concrete, there’s a big gap between that and an Indigenous way of building" is just ridiculous. Who the fuck are you, white man, to say what is and is not consistent with an "Indigenous way of building"? You aren't living the same lifestyle and building the sa…

That’s people’s objection to “woke” views on ethnicity: You’ve returned to the world of racial essentialism, the most debunked form of racism, where you argue nonsense about what kinds of buildings people should make based on their ancestry. No matter how you dress it up in the language of civil rights, the racialized views promoted by the institutional left (eg, academia, media, and government) are built upon that r…

> You’ve returned to the world of racial essentialism, the most debunked form of racism, where you argue nonsense about what kinds of buildings people should make based on their ancestry. No matter how you dress it up in the language of civil rights, the racialized views promoted by the institutional left (eg, academia, media, and government) are built upon that racism — which we see articulated in your quote.

If anything, the person you're replying to rejected this kind of crap, they argue (like the article) that it should be the right of the Indigenous Nations to determine on their own what they want to build on their own land.

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