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Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Re: Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Post by mrguyorama »

protocolture wrote: post #6
cafard wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not downvoting, but perhaps those who did shared my thought "safety for whom thing?"

Well I have vision thanks to the cameras low enough to spot a toddler staring at my headlights, and overly sensitive sensors that pick up every leaf and twig. At highway speeds it will take over and slam the brakes on for me. Cruise control matches speed of the vehicle ahead of me, and the lane assist is almost parental. So the answer is... you, and children, and other squishy things either out of or inside of smalle…

>Well I have vision thanks to the cameras low enough to spot a toddler staring at my headlights

The actual data shows that these camera covered tanks kill pedestrians way more than the tinycars of yesteryear.

Re: Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Post by mcntsh »

exodust wrote: post #5

If they follow Paris, smaller SUVs weighing 1.6+ tonnes like the Toyota Rav4 will be slugged even though these cars are the same length as a Corolla sedan. Given Rav4 owners already pay higher rego in Australia due to weight, this new parking fee will not go down well if it follows Paris. I saw the first news about this recently. They framed it as targetting oversized American SUVs and pickups which are relatively un…

The Rav4 is not a "smaller SUV," it's huge compared to popular SUVs we have in Europe:

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/skoda-kamiq-2019-su...

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/volkswagen-t-cross-...

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/dacia-duster-2021-s...

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-captur-2019...

Re: Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Post by argumentumm »

mcntsh wrote: post #12
exodust wrote: post #5

If they follow Paris, smaller SUVs weighing 1.6+ tonnes like the Toyota Rav4 will be slugged even though these cars are the same length as a Corolla sedan. Given Rav4 owners already pay higher rego in Australia due to weight, this new parking fee will not go down well if it follows Paris. I saw the first news about this recently. They framed it as targetting oversized American SUVs and pickups which are relatively un…

The Rav4 is not a "smaller SUV," it's huge compared to popular SUVs we have in Europe: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/skoda-kamiq-2019-su... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/volkswagen-t-cross-... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/dacia-duster-2021-s... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-captur-2019...

It’s shorter than plenty of reasonable sedans? Just because there exist smaller vehicles doesn’t make it “not small”.

Re: Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Post by mcntsh »

argumentumm wrote: post #13
mcntsh wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Rav4 is not a "smaller SUV," it's huge compared to popular SUVs we have in Europe: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/skoda-kamiq-2019-su... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/volkswagen-t-cross-... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/dacia-duster-2021-s... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-captur-2019...

It’s shorter than plenty of reasonable sedans? Just because there exist smaller vehicles doesn’t make it “not small”.

I've seen a couple around Berlin and they're noticably large. In French cities the streets/cars/parking spaces are even smaller.

Re: Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Post by exodust »

mcntsh wrote: post #12
exodust wrote: post #5

If they follow Paris, smaller SUVs weighing 1.6+ tonnes like the Toyota Rav4 will be slugged even though these cars are the same length as a Corolla sedan. Given Rav4 owners already pay higher rego in Australia due to weight, this new parking fee will not go down well if it follows Paris. I saw the first news about this recently. They framed it as targetting oversized American SUVs and pickups which are relatively un…

The Rav4 is not a "smaller SUV," it's huge compared to popular SUVs we have in Europe: https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/skoda-kamiq-2019-su... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/volkswagen-t-cross-... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/dacia-duster-2021-s... https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/renault-captur-2019...

The point is the "RAV4" and similar SUVs sit on a sedan-size wheelbase. A bit heavier than sedans but similar dimensions:

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018...

The proposed Australian laws misleadingly highlight the massive American trucks as the focus of the new fees. But if they follow Paris as the reports said, the "RAV4" will be caught up in the new fees simply because of WEIGHT, not physical dimensions that impact parking spaces.

The RAV4 is nothing like a Ram 1500:

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-rav4-2019-su...

Re: Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Post by exodust »

morbicer wrote: post #9
exodust wrote: post #5

If they follow Paris, smaller SUVs weighing 1.6+ tonnes like the Toyota Rav4 will be slugged even though these cars are the same length as a Corolla sedan. Given Rav4 owners already pay higher rego in Australia due to weight, this new parking fee will not go down well if it follows Paris. I saw the first news about this recently. They framed it as targetting oversized American SUVs and pickups which are relatively un…

But the Rav4 is 10cm wider than Corolla, European parking spaces are not built for huge cars

It's actually 7.5cm wider, about the length of your index finger. In other words, negligible.

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018...

Re: Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Post by morbicer »

exodust wrote: post #16
morbicer wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Rav4 is 10cm wider than Corolla, European parking spaces are not built for huge cars

It's actually 7.5cm wider, about the length of your index finger. In other words, negligible. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018...

It's a big difference if you need to open doors, especially if there is another SUV next to you

Re: Councils from Paris to the Yarra want to use parking fees to clamp down on SUVs

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Post by exodust »

morbicer wrote: post #17
exodust wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's actually 7.5cm wider, about the length of your index finger. In other words, negligible. https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018...

It's a big difference if you need to open doors, especially if there is another SUV next to you

It's not a big difference.

This topic is about Australia, not Europe. Our parking spaces are at least 240cm wide. Enough room for SUVs to park next to each other no problem.

In fact the more common SUV in Australia is the Mitsubishi Outlander. Models from 2007-2018 are only 180cm wide, just 2cm wider than a Corolla sedan.

https://www.carsized.com/en/cars/compare/toyota-corolla-2018...

2cm is not worth getting your panties in a twist about, and not worth making new laws about.

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