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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Though, to be fair, for most indies the App Store with the old rules is probably the best deal available to them. How do you figure? Given the choice, many indie Mac developers continue to distribute their software outside the Mac App Store.

The core technology fee doesn't exist on the Mac.

How is taking 15% or 30% of all revenue better than €0.50 per first annual install?

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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"The Core Technology Fee (CTF) is an element of the business terms in the EU that reflects the value Apple provides developers through ongoing investments in the tools, technologies, and services that enable them to build and share innovative apps with users around the world."

I feel sick. Yet, I am intrigued by what kind of drugs the PR team at Apple is taking... ;)

In my opinion, Apple's proprietary APIs provide a negative value to developers. Shuffling APIs around for no obvious reason is why none of my old iOS / Mac apps still work. I've been forced to issue refunds to people who upgraded their macOS and then afterwards noticed that my apps don't work anymore. And since Apple owns the customer relationship, we couldn't even send an email to warn them that upgrading will break their setup. (Pro Tools had to do that on basically every OS X upgrade.)

On Windows, things JUST WORK! :) and they've continued working with almost no maintenance for almost 9 years. The Windows version is, thus, highly profitable.

But the Mac version was a financial disaster. And discontinued.

EDIT: Just to clarify, I was super happy with Apple from about 2008 to about 2014 and shipped multiple iOS and Mac apps. But needless to say, my impression of them has soured when they started treating us developers badly. I'm now using Pop! OS as daily driver and it kinda feels as nice as OS X was before the stupidification efforts started.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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I am really impressed how much time and effort Apples legal department spends to find every single loop hole in the wording of the DMA. The 50ct per install for alternate app stores, 50ct per install for non-App Store apps after the millionth install, 1 million dollar in securities for alternate app stores, etc all follow the words of the DMA, but not the spirit. I am really interested to see the European Commissian drag Apple in front of a court and them having to legally defend their actions. I assume that all of those things they are setting up to circumvent people from using their rights will really blow up in their faces.

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The app still has to be notarized, this seems logical to me, I’d only be worried if they ever allowed unsigned apps to run. There are plenty of “free Vbucks” and survey sites that show you how to enable sideloading on Android to download said app that is just pure malware.

> worried if they ever allowed unsigned apps to run

I see this stance often - Do you mean worried for the wellbeing of the easily manipulable (e.g. children) on the platform, Or worried for the quality floor more generally?

The former has an argument, the latter does not in my opinion. Even then while I welcome a requirement for apple to notarise apps for regular install (particularly as a means to verify the source), I'd also demand the ability to run unsigned apps unrestricted - whether the barrier is self-signing, a settings checkbox, make me stare at a 30s countdown, whatever.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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"The Core Technology Fee (CTF) is an element of the business terms in the EU that reflects the value Apple provides developers through ongoing investments in the tools, technologies, and services that enable them to build and share innovative apps with users around the world." I feel sick. Yet, I am intrigued by what kind of drugs the PR team at Apple is taking... ;) In my opinion, Apple's proprietary APIs provide a…

> provides developers through ongoing investments in the tools, technologies, and services that enable them to build and share innovative apps with users around the world.

That's what the 99$ fee for the developer program is for. The 50ct Core Technology Fee is just Apple showing the middle finger to successful developers. I hope the EU goes after this fee first. The whole reason for the DMA is that developers do not use Apple's platforms to bring apps to the user's devices. The user has paid for the device and the operating system, the developer has paid for the developer account, so I am really interested to see how Apple justifies that fee in a court of law.

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I am really impressed how much time and effort Apples legal department spends to find every single loop hole in the wording of the DMA. The 50ct per install for alternate app stores, 50ct per install for non-App Store apps after the millionth install, 1 million dollar in securities for alternate app stores, etc all follow the words of the DMA, but not the spirit. I am really interested to see the European Commissian…

The EU has always been enthusiastic about the spirit of the law, and Apple is not used to this. You can see their temper tantrum unfold every time they find this out.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The core technology fee doesn't exist on the Mac.

How is taking 15% or 30% of all revenue better than €0.50 per first annual install?

Because it means you need to be making more than $3.3-$1.5 per user per year to break even on this, which is difficult

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The core technology fee doesn't exist on the Mac.

How is taking 15% or 30% of all revenue better than €0.50 per first annual install?

Because a revenue % is based on a financial transaction that guarantees you money where an install (which includes updates) does not.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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"The Core Technology Fee (CTF) is an element of the business terms in the EU that reflects the value Apple provides developers through ongoing investments in the tools, technologies, and services that enable them to build and share innovative apps with users around the world." I feel sick. Yet, I am intrigued by what kind of drugs the PR team at Apple is taking... ;) In my opinion, Apple's proprietary APIs provide a…

Reminds me of this: "The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes.

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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This is just more malicious compliance by Apple. Indie developers are completely locked out of web distribution, and it applies only to developers who are already paying the Apple tax. > To be eligible for Web Distribution, you must: > Be a member of good standing in the Apple Developer Program for two continuous years or more, and have an app that had more than one million first annual installs on iOS in the EU in t…

I really hope the EU regulators won't let this slide.
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