Live data from Hacker News

Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

theguardian.com

11–20 of 30 posts

Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

#11
post #4

It's quite incredible how hating men have been not only normalized but institutionalized in the last few years. Changing a single word in that kind of headlines would give a strong 1933 vibe.

The article is more than the how you personally interpreted (or were triggered by) the wording of the headline

Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

#13
post #2

Maybe merit isn’t everything. Maybe a weaker player with a different perspective makes the team stronger than would another homogenous superstar. I just don’t know.

Surely a person's sex or race isn't the most significant factor that would give someone a different perspective. Why is it that we must seek alternatives primarily along the sex and race axes, at the exact same time that we're being told that differences in those dimensions don't matter?

If we want different perspectives, then let's look for people that are urban vs suburban, religious vs atheist, short vs tall, active vs sedentary, sports fans vs those who would rather read a book, listeners of classical music vs country, those who served in the military vs pacifists, and so on. Why tell ourselves that the most important "diversity" we need is to be found in sex/gender and race?

Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

#14
post #5

And as usual no data other than opinions. How many women did they have with the same qualifications as the men? How many women work the same amount of hours? How many women even applied for the job? My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?

> My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?

You are comparing two completely different things as if they are related.

Is there something about computers and AI that men have a knack for?

As usual, we have men outraged about a more even playing field.

Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

#15
post #8

Vicious cycle: 1. There is a relatively stable job opening with diversity requirements. The 'diverse' hire is made. 2. The 'non-diverse' candidates for the position end up not getting the job. While seemingly inconsequential on its own, this has the effect of 'non-diverse' candidates being over-represented among those who are overqualified for their current position. 3. In order to get a more suitable position for th…

This reflects my career path as well. I worked for a large company and I was impacted by Step 2. Left for a startup (step 3), startup takes off with a competing technology. Fast forward a couple of years, the large company drops technology I was working in at the time as they couldn't compete with the startup (step 4). Startup is now a leader in that technology and is now a more attractive workpalce than the large company. There are now complaints that the leaders with tenure are non-diverse at the startup. We've reached stage 5.

Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

#17
post #5

And as usual no data other than opinions. How many women did they have with the same qualifications as the men? How many women work the same amount of hours? How many women even applied for the job? My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?

It's not really about equality, as no one is complaining about men doing the most dangerous and laborious jobs, as mining, forestry, saturation diving etc. According to most reports, men are more than 20 times more likely to die at work.

Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

#18
post #14
post #5

And as usual no data other than opinions. How many women did they have with the same qualifications as the men? How many women work the same amount of hours? How many women even applied for the job? My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?

> My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why? You are comparing two completely different things as if they are related. Is there something about computers and AI that men have a knack for? As usual, we have men outraged about a more even playing field.

But you seem to be arguing for a less even playing field, no? Even means playing no favorites and only going by who might be best suited for the job. If there is someone better suited for the job and, in this case, she, who is she? Maybe another AI aspirant can hire her.

Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

#19
post #14
post #5

And as usual no data other than opinions. How many women did they have with the same qualifications as the men? How many women work the same amount of hours? How many women even applied for the job? My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?

> My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why? You are comparing two completely different things as if they are related. Is there something about computers and AI that men have a knack for? As usual, we have men outraged about a more even playing field.

Are you suggesting men aren't qualified to take care of children?

Re: Staff Speak Out at Turing Institute due to four men being given top jobs

#20
post #14
post #5

And as usual no data other than opinions. How many women did they have with the same qualifications as the men? How many women work the same amount of hours? How many women even applied for the job? My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why?

> My local kindergarten also only has women. Guess why? You are comparing two completely different things as if they are related. Is there something about computers and AI that men have a knack for? As usual, we have men outraged about a more even playing field.

"Results showed that the male infants showed a stronger interest in the physical-mechanical mobile while the female infants showed a stronger interest in the face. The results of this research clearly demonstrate that sex differences are in part biological in origin."

- Sex differences in human neonatal social perception, Connellan Et. Al.

Boys are more interested in things, girls are more interested in people. Men preferentially grow up to work with things, women preferentially grow up to work with people. It's not about skill, its about what they instinctually find interesting.

Post reply on HN