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Re: Men In Tech

#11

Post by CHsurfer »

georgieporgie wrote: post #3

I think this is largely the expression of terrible, terrible social skills. I've seen appalling things toward women and men alike from young, socially inept Bay Area tech males. Also, for what it's worth, I've received a lot of crap from women over the course of my working life. In college, I worked in a deli where I was the only male. There was outright sexual harassment, and regular dismissal of me solely because I…

I don't think anyone, with good or bad social skills, should have to deal with this crap.

As a community we have to set the norm, the expectation that this just not ok. For people just entering the community, they may have different norms (coming from their fraternity - or what ever) but if the people around them set the proper example they will pick it up soon enough. Stories like this are needed to help us get there.

Re: Men In Tech

#12

Post by KaoruAoiShiho »

zenogais wrote: post #8
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #5

Hmm, not completely sure what this article is getting at but it seems to be implying that men and women are the same and would feel the same way when reacting to such things as sexual harassment and whether or not you're desirable to the opposite sex. That's basically a completely false premise. Because of biological facts and the resultant social history, men and women have completely different values and attitudes…

I'm kinda hoping this is a joke, but I'm also guessing not. The point is you would feel as helpless and frustrated as women do now if the tables were turned and the entire social structure was set up so as to belittle you and give you little recourse to respond. Also men and women are very similar in terms of values and attitudes towards sex regardless of the prevailing popular myths.

>prevailing popular myths

Lovely arrogance.

Please look up Terri D. Conley and Sexual Strategies Theory.

Re: Men In Tech

#16

Post by sp332 »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #5

Hmm, not completely sure what this article is getting at but it seems to be implying that men and women are the same and would feel the same way when reacting to such things as sexual harassment and whether or not you're desirable to the opposite sex. That's basically a completely false premise. Because of biological facts and the resultant social history, men and women have completely different values and attitudes…

I have to disagree. It's actually pretty trivial to create a situation that puts men at the same disadvantage, and it happens all the time in other industries. Heck I saw it really happen when it was supposed to be a joke.

Re: Men In Tech

#17

Post by sliverstorm »

CHsurfer wrote: post #11
georgieporgie wrote: post #3

I think this is largely the expression of terrible, terrible social skills. I've seen appalling things toward women and men alike from young, socially inept Bay Area tech males. Also, for what it's worth, I've received a lot of crap from women over the course of my working life. In college, I worked in a deli where I was the only male. There was outright sexual harassment, and regular dismissal of me solely because I…

I don't think anyone, with good or bad social skills, should have to deal with this crap. As a community we have to set the norm, the expectation that this just not ok. For people just entering the community, they may have different norms (coming from their fraternity - or what ever) but if the people around them set the proper example they will pick it up soon enough. Stories like this are needed to help us get ther…

I don't think anyone, with good or bad social skills, should have to deal with this crap.

Sure, but if it's bad social skills call it bad social skills, not misogyny.

Re: Men In Tech

#18

Post by ckoning »

sliverstorm wrote: post #17
CHsurfer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think anyone, with good or bad social skills, should have to deal with this crap. As a community we have to set the norm, the expectation that this just not ok. For people just entering the community, they may have different norms (coming from their fraternity - or what ever) but if the people around them set the proper example they will pick it up soon enough. Stories like this are needed to help us get ther…

I don't think anyone, with good or bad social skills, should have to deal with this crap. Sure, but if it's bad social skills call it bad social skills, not misogyny.

The two are not mutually exclusive.

Re: Men In Tech

#19

Post by xyzzyz »

knowtheory wrote: post #6

Reading this is really awkward. And it's not awkward because it reveals some hidden truth, or because it's a good piece of writing that reflects on the issue it's tackling. No, instead it's awkward because the gender dynamics are not reversible. At least, not in the manner that's intended here. You can't just take the circumstances that women face in tech fields, and switch around the pronouns and have the circumstan…

Of course the story described in the post have zero chance of happening in the real world, but that's the whole point, I guess.
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