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On the Double-Slit Experiment and Quantum Interference in the Wolfram Model (2020)

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Re: On the Double-Slit Experiment and Quantum Interference in the Wolfram Model (2020)

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I often wonder how much the fact that quantum mechanics' original formulation was in terms of a wave function and differential equations has to do with the ubiquity and importance of these topics at that particular era.

For example, Werner Heisenberg's doctoral thesis[1] arose from a contract of his doctor father Arnold Sommerfeld from a company that dealt with the channelling of the Isar river through the city of Munich. Very practical problems involving differential equations - kind of the bread and butter of physicists and engineers at the time.

What if quantum mechanics was found today in a world where the bread and butter has shifted to computer science, linear algebra and discrete math? Would we still end up with waves and differential equations, or would another formulation arise more naturally?

EDIT: I think a beautiful (but imperfect) example to illustrate this dichotomy in the ways of thinking is how the Bell inequality can be approached with photons and polarization or as a game. Thinking about Alice and Bob or polarized light, which would you prefer?

[1] https://ntrs.nasa.gov/citations/19930093939

Re: On the Double-Slit Experiment and Quantum Interference in the Wolfram Model (2020)

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That's not the kind of model it is. The standard model is one example of a quantum field theory. You should think of Wolfram's idea as a different formalism (ie. not QFT), not a different example. It so happens that Wolfram's multiway model (allegedly, I can't evaluate it fairly for myself) also contains GR as a low-energy limit. It's like inventing a new operating system (we currently have 3ish, Newtonian, Quantum,…

>If known programs cannot run on this new OS then it is defective.

I understand the problem is that, like String Theory, this framework has a practically unlimited supply of variables that can simply be tuned to fit existing experiments, while not offering any way to be tested.

Re: On the Double-Slit Experiment and Quantum Interference in the Wolfram Model (2020)

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I often wonder how much the fact that quantum mechanics' original formulation was in terms of a wave function and differential equations has to do with the ubiquity and importance of these topics at that particular era. For example, Werner Heisenberg's doctoral thesis[1] arose from a contract of his doctor father Arnold Sommerfeld from a company that dealt with the channelling of the Isar river through the city of Mu…

I think that without their contributions back then, we wouldn't have the computers of today.

Re: On the Double-Slit Experiment and Quantum Interference in the Wolfram Model (2020)

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I often wonder how much the fact that quantum mechanics' original formulation was in terms of a wave function and differential equations has to do with the ubiquity and importance of these topics at that particular era. For example, Werner Heisenberg's doctoral thesis[1] arose from a contract of his doctor father Arnold Sommerfeld from a company that dealt with the channelling of the Isar river through the city of Mu…

It's an interesting question but matrix mechanics is already a thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrix_mechanics

For me it's a reminder that physics describes how quantum systems evolve, but it doesn't (in a sense) tell us what those systems are. Are particles waves? Matrices? Excitations of a field?

Each of these descriptions works, so I can't exclusively say any one of them is what particles really are. Bring a macroscopic being is philosophically frustrating.

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I often wonder how much the fact that quantum mechanics' original formulation was in terms of a wave function and differential equations has to do with the ubiquity and importance of these topics at that particular era. For example, Werner Heisenberg's doctoral thesis[1] arose from a contract of his doctor father Arnold Sommerfeld from a company that dealt with the channelling of the Isar river through the city of Mu…

It was formulated at least twice in different versions. First by Heisenberg with his matrix mechanics and shortly afterwards by Schrödinger in terms of wave-functions.

There was considerable disagreement between the factions of physicists who favoured the different versions which essentially ended when after some considerable theoretical effort (mostly by Dirac) it was shown that the two pictures are exactly equivalent.

Physicists still use whichever formulation is most suitable for whatever problem they're trying to solve, for example if you're analysing the something where you care about a bunch of bound states like the simple harmonic oscillator or the hydrogen atom then the matrix picture tends to be easier to work with.

You are right that wave mechanics was more popular than matrix mechanics because physicists were already very familiar with wave methods.

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As Gorard has long been at pains to point out (and Wolfram, being preternaturally immodest, has not) the model is a formalism, not a theory.

That said, the point of redescribing things we know very well - like QM and GR - in new ways is ultimately to make testable predictions. So:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLtxXkugd5w

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I often wonder how much the fact that quantum mechanics' original formulation was in terms of a wave function and differential equations has to do with the ubiquity and importance of these topics at that particular era. For example, Werner Heisenberg's doctoral thesis[1] arose from a contract of his doctor father Arnold Sommerfeld from a company that dealt with the channelling of the Isar river through the city of Mu…

Scott Aaronson has an insightful essay on this in chapter 9 of his excellent book, "Quantum Computing Since Democritus". The TL;DR is that quantum mechanics can be derived as a generalization of probability theory using the 2-norm instead of the 1-norm. In Aaronson's words:

"Quantum mechanics is what you would inevitably come up with if you started with probability theory, and then said, let's try to generalize it so that the numbers we used to call 'probabilities' can be negative numbers. As such, the theory could have been invented by mathematicians in the nineteenth century without any input from experiment. It wasn't, but it could have been."

Well worth a read. In fact, I'd say it's worth buying the book just for this one chapter.

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This comment by Matt Kelly seems to be the most pertinent

> Regarding the similarity to a double slit interference pattern, what I found in my investigation (see my previous comment) is it was solely the result of the sorting algorithm used for the X coordinates of each possible outcome/weight. Ordering by the average X location results in a binomial distribution, but there are still ties to deal with. Applying secondary sorting to those based on the position of the left or rightmost X creates secondary binomial distributions within the main binomial distribution, similar to what Jonathan showed, except without all the spikiness because his example wasn’t consistently sorted in this manner.

> You can see the sorting I’m talking about by looking at the sorting of Xs in the output of weights in Jonathan’s double-slit examples. The bottom half is sorted as I stated, but the top half is somewhat out of order, corresponding to the spikes in the tallest curve in the center of the graphs.

> Maxime C, I had the same question as you – Why choose this sorting method for encoding the photon positions? My conclusion is that it doesn’t work however. Each additional step run with a large string produces an additional secondary binomial distribution. To get a smooth curve, we’d need to run billions of steps on a large string, but then we we’d also see billions of peaks, which no longer compares well with the expected diffraction pattern.

Re: On the Double-Slit Experiment and Quantum Interference in the Wolfram Model (2020)

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I often wonder how much the fact that quantum mechanics' original formulation was in terms of a wave function and differential equations has to do with the ubiquity and importance of these topics at that particular era. For example, Werner Heisenberg's doctoral thesis[1] arose from a contract of his doctor father Arnold Sommerfeld from a company that dealt with the channelling of the Isar river through the city of Mu…

It was formulated at least twice in different versions. First by Heisenberg with his matrix mechanics and shortly afterwards by Schrödinger in terms of wave-functions. There was considerable disagreement between the factions of physicists who favoured the different versions which essentially ended when after some considerable theoretical effort (mostly by Dirac) it was shown that the two pictures are exactly equivale…

I wonder if there is a wave formulation for LLM's and transformers in general?
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