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Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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For cloud programming, I find ChromeOs linux performance to be perfectly acceptable. The price penalty on Apple products is too high. I also HATED the fact that I has to give Apple my credit card to get it to work. Apple treats your laptop like it owns it. I was unable to delete Itunes and had to sign Terms of Service that I didn't want.

Like ChromeOS? While not your typical distribution it is Linux

Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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I'm surprised Google doesn't come out with something akin to Chrome but that is a full Linux with the abiliy to load full applications on it... and something that can be installed from an ISO on old (or new) machines. What would be the downside of this?

There are such things: https://mrchromebox.tech/#alt_os

Crostini gives you Linux container inside ChromeOS. If you want pure Linux experience you can install whatever distro you want as well.

Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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I wonder if this could be related to M1/2/3 Macs being worse for x86 system software development than the old Intel Macs. I work on ROS[1] which runs on x86 Linux platforms, but usually develop on a Mac. I may have to move to a Linux laptop soon because there's not an easy path (that I'm aware of) to running x86 ROS code on an M3: compiling the entire system for arm would be a huge headache while running x86 code in a Linux VM under Rosetta has a lot of unknowns.

Obviously my case is a bit of an outlier, but once you add up enough outliers you might see a real impact.

[1] https://www.ros.org

Edit: I'm really going to miss the Mac. As much as I love the Linux CLI, Linux GUIs are a huge mess. A simple example: on MacOS you can use Emacs style keyboard shortcuts (^A, ^E, ^K, etc) to manipulate text in just about any text field in any app. AFAIK no such thing exist in Linux, which generally uses Windows style shortcuts (Home, End) that a much more limited. Another example is the ever-present "Help" menu in Mac apps that can be used to find/run other menu items.

Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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post #5

For cloud programming, I find ChromeOs linux performance to be perfectly acceptable. The price penalty on Apple products is too high. I also HATED the fact that I has to give Apple my credit card to get it to work. Apple treats your laptop like it owns it. I was unable to delete Itunes and had to sign Terms of Service that I didn't want.

always ON monitoring from Google is the price penalty for a chromeOS.. personal profiling held without public access.. history says this never goes well..

Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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post #3

I'm surprised Google doesn't come out with something akin to Chrome but that is a full Linux with the abiliy to load full applications on it... and something that can be installed from an ISO on old (or new) machines. What would be the downside of this?

ChromeOS is a full Linux, it just runs Linux apps in a Debian VM. If you install anything in there it looks native, shows up in the application menu, draws it's Wayland/X11 UI just fine. Even Steam works.

https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/9145439?hl=en

You can also get ChromeOS as an ISO, but they mostly advertise it to enterprises to reuse old hardware, and not to end users. https://chromeenterprise.google/intl/en_uk/os/chromeosflex/

Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

#17
post #5

For cloud programming, I find ChromeOs linux performance to be perfectly acceptable. The price penalty on Apple products is too high. I also HATED the fact that I has to give Apple my credit card to get it to work. Apple treats your laptop like it owns it. I was unable to delete Itunes and had to sign Terms of Service that I didn't want.

> has to give Apple my credit card to get it to work

Get what to work?

Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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I wonder if this could be related to M1/2/3 Macs being worse for x86 system software development than the old Intel Macs. I work on ROS[1] which runs on x86 Linux platforms, but usually develop on a Mac. I may have to move to a Linux laptop soon because there's not an easy path (that I'm aware of) to running x86 ROS code on an M3: compiling the entire system for arm would be a huge headache while running x86 code in…

What problems are you running into with ROS on ARM? I've used it both on Raspberry Pis and ARM Macs with Docker (both natively and with translation) needing no modifications.

Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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I wonder if this could be related to M1/2/3 Macs being worse for x86 system software development than the old Intel Macs. I work on ROS[1] which runs on x86 Linux platforms, but usually develop on a Mac. I may have to move to a Linux laptop soon because there's not an easy path (that I'm aware of) to running x86 ROS code on an M3: compiling the entire system for arm would be a huge headache while running x86 code in…

I bought a used Mac Mini for personal projects _only_ for those keyboard shortcuts. They're too ingrained in my mind from using a Mac for my day job.

Re: Linux market share passes 4% for first time; macOS dominance declines

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I wonder if this could be related to M1/2/3 Macs being worse for x86 system software development than the old Intel Macs. I work on ROS[1] which runs on x86 Linux platforms, but usually develop on a Mac. I may have to move to a Linux laptop soon because there's not an easy path (that I'm aware of) to running x86 ROS code on an M3: compiling the entire system for arm would be a huge headache while running x86 code in…

> AFAIK no such thing exist in Linux, which generally uses Windows style shortcuts (Home, End) that a much more limited.

GTK used to have functionality for using Emacs shortcuts in text fields, but they removed it in GTK 4: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gtk/-/issues/1669

One issue was that because there's no separate command key, you'd end up with other functionality overriding the shortcuts (i.e. Ctrl+P would bring up the print dialog).

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