Baby steps toward truly free egress.
Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
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Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#12Isn’t this a bad faith interpretation of the EU law, by providing free egress when exiting AWS (and GCP)?
The law mandates egress costs should either be free or not exceed the costs encountered by the cloud provider.
Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#13> The waiver on data transfer out to the internet charges also follows the direction set by the European Data Act and is available to all AWS customers around the world and from any AWS Region. Thank you, EU, on behalf of the rest of the world
Well waddya know... Looks like sometimes regulations do work better than the invisible hand of the free market.
Reality: the invisible hand is simply a fist made up of all members of a cartel.
Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#14I hope this is just the start of egress fee changes in response to the European Data Act. Taking a look at other parts of the law's text [1], I think this change related to Article 25, but Article 34 section 2 is what really stands out to me:
> Where a data processing service is being used in parallel with another data processing service, the providers of data processing services may impose data egress charges, but only for the purpose of passing on egress costs incurred, without exceeding such costs.
Hopefully this article doesn't end up with exploitable loopholes. Bringing down AWS, GCP, and Azure egress costs to market rates could majorly help reduce cloud lock-in gradually without having to close your entire account.
[1]: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=OJ:...
Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#15One of the other question is whether you have to delete all data / close your account 60 days after you transfer out without fee: https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1765102310563500521 Probably obeying the letter of the European Data Act, but obviously not great if true.
Nope > We don’t require you to close your account or change your relationship with AWS in any way. You’re welcome to come back at any time. We will, of course, apply additional scrutiny if the same AWS account applies multiple times for free DTO.
Then compare that statement with their FAQ,https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/faqs/#Data_transfer_fees_when_mov...
> After your move away from AWS services, within the 60-day period, you must delete all remaining data and workloads from your AWS account, or you can close your AWS account.
Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#16Isn’t this a bad faith interpretation of the EU law, by providing free egress when exiting AWS (and GCP)? The law mandates egress costs should either be free or not exceed the costs encountered by the cloud provider.
What do you mean "bad faith"? Can you elaborate?
Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#17Is this AWS feeling pressure from GCP's similar move?
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/11/google-vows-not-to-charge-da...
Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope > We don’t require you to close your account or change your relationship with AWS in any way. You’re welcome to come back at any time. We will, of course, apply additional scrutiny if the same AWS account applies multiple times for free DTO.
Then compare that statement with their FAQ, https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/faqs/#Data_transfer_fees_when_mov... > After your move away from AWS services, within the 60-day period, you must delete all remaining data and workloads from your AWS account, or you can close your AWS account.
If you manage to delete everything and make the billing to be zero dollars, then there's no need to close the account...
In many cases, this is way harder than it sounds.
Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#19Note that this is not free egress to premises, only "out to internet".
on-prem is still “the internet”
Re: Free data transfer out to internet when moving out of AWS
#20Isn’t this a bad faith interpretation of the EU law, by providing free egress when exiting AWS (and GCP)? The law mandates egress costs should either be free or not exceed the costs encountered by the cloud provider.
What do you mean "bad faith"? Can you elaborate?
The law mandates egress to be free or at provider cost when two data processing services are used in parallel; AWS, OTOH, provides it free (better than is minimally required!) and to customers not protected by the law at issue (also more than required!) but only when migrating off of AWS, not when using AWS alongside another service, so (assuming it continues to charge much more than their cost for all other egress) is not actually complying with the law outside of a very narrow subset of the cases where it applies.
This is a particularly meaningless gesture in the direction of compliance from a provider dominant across so many categories of cloud services as AWS is -- the whole point of the "in parallel" requirement in the law is, I would assume, to prevent the mega-cloud providers (AWS, mainly, but also Azure and GCP) from being able to effectively lock customers to monopolize areas of cloud services where their specific offerings are weak by the egress fees of their dominant offerings which would be used alongside them. "Free only when you are transferring out to leave our platform" doesn't address this lock-in at all.