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Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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Apple has been perfecting its trackpad software since 1994, and it’s been getting better ever since. By contrast Apple keyboards have gotten worse since 1995 when it discontinued the Apple Extended Keyboard II. We don’t talk about Apple’s mice.

I just got one of these with a Quadra 650 I bought. It's good but it's bugging the hell out of me that the bumps are on the d and k keys vs. the more modern f and j.

Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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What exactly is smooth scrolling? Like you press the down arrow, and the scroll is animated instead of instantly snapping down by 50 pixels?

Using the term 'down arrow' in the context of scrolling already reveals you aren't the target audience for such a feature.

Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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I welcome any and all improvements to touchpads on Linux and Windows systems. Switching from my personal MacBook to my work ThinkPad is like traveling back in time in terms of usability.

I always thought it was strange that people went through the inconveniences of plugging a mouse into their laptop when there was a trackpad right there until I had to use a Windows system and saw just how bad it was.

Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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What exactly is smooth scrolling? Like you press the down arrow, and the scroll is animated instead of instantly snapping down by 50 pixels?

Using the term 'down arrow' in the context of scrolling already reveals you aren't the target audience for such a feature.

Ok, I'm not in the target audience. Fine. I would still like to know what it is.

Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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Why does this seem like such a hard problem to solve for everyone that isn’t Apple, when Apple seemingly solved the Trackpad over a decade ago? Is this it? An unknown ROI? >the highly uncertain ROI for trying to align touchpad acceleration has prevented us from proposing a system change to the default Linux settings. I can only speak for myself, but I gave up using trackpads on anything that isn’t a MacBook many year…

That “ROI” comment stood out. Companies should focus on making quality products without tying everything to ROI. The state of some software on Linux is just embarrassing. No attention to detail. Oh and I’ve been using Linux since I installed Slackware via floppy disks.

I have an external Apple touchpad and I got the Boot Camp drivers for it working on my gaming PC. I keep it to the left of my keyboard with my mouse on my right to alternate hands for RSI reasons and because even Windows has a lot of features that work best via trackpad gestures.

Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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Apple has been perfecting its trackpad software since 1994, and it’s been getting better ever since. By contrast Apple keyboards have gotten worse since 1995 when it discontinued the Apple Extended Keyboard II. We don’t talk about Apple’s mice.

The first-gen butterfly keyboards were pretty atrocious (although still kind of usable). I actually like the chiclet-key keyboards that Apple sells nowadays.

Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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Why does this seem like such a hard problem to solve for everyone that isn’t Apple, when Apple seemingly solved the Trackpad over a decade ago? Is this it? An unknown ROI? >the highly uncertain ROI for trying to align touchpad acceleration has prevented us from proposing a system change to the default Linux settings. I can only speak for myself, but I gave up using trackpads on anything that isn’t a MacBook many year…

Look and feel of MacOS is great but above all I value freedom, serviceability and extendability. Therefore for some long time I had a 16GB Mac at work (because as Tolkien or someone else wrote, one does not simply put additional RAM in a MacBook) and 24 GB old Linux laptop at home and guess on which one did I run my VMs faster?

On the other hand Linux is still very unstable and uncomfortable. My Linux Mint Cinnamon was behaving unstable in prosaic cases, like entering PIN into my built in Wireless WAN.

I would love to see MacBook open for extension and interoperability

Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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Why does this seem like such a hard problem to solve for everyone that isn’t Apple, when Apple seemingly solved the Trackpad over a decade ago? Is this it? An unknown ROI? >the highly uncertain ROI for trying to align touchpad acceleration has prevented us from proposing a system change to the default Linux settings. I can only speak for myself, but I gave up using trackpads on anything that isn’t a MacBook many year…

Didn't Microsoft try to do something with the Surface laptops? Did that pan out?

But yes, it's mindboggling how bad trackpads are on PCs. I've had corporate Lenovo T-series, X1 Carbon, and Yoga for more than a decade, and while things have gotten slightly better I still need an external mouse

I may need to travel a lot by bus to my new job, and I'm now actually considering a Mac again even though Excel/PowerPoint is horrible due to missing hotkeys

Re: Linux Touchpad Like MacBook Update: 2023 Progress on Smooth Scrolling

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Why does this seem like such a hard problem to solve for everyone that isn’t Apple, when Apple seemingly solved the Trackpad over a decade ago? Is this it? An unknown ROI? >the highly uncertain ROI for trying to align touchpad acceleration has prevented us from proposing a system change to the default Linux settings. I can only speak for myself, but I gave up using trackpads on anything that isn’t a MacBook many year…

I've been reading this kind of opinion for years, but I have always found the touchpad to be annoyingly slow under macOS.

On the other hand, MacBooks are basically the only laptops with a large enough touchpad to be comfortable, I don't know if there's some other secret sauce Apple algorithm in the firmware that contributes to the experience, but to me the perfect combination is with a MacBook running Linux, which is what I've been using for about 12 years now.

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