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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Archived: http://web.archive.org/web/20240303014749/https://pressgazet... > Around 10% of Gaza's journalists have been killed versus 2.5% of healthcare workers. These figures are insane! The number of journalists killed crossed the threshold where Gaza journalists can be declared officially decimated, according to the historical definition of the term as 1/10 killed[1]. I noticed if we plot the journalist killings ag…

> I noticed if we plot the journalist killings against general population killings in Gaza, the graph deviates from an approximately straight line that might be expected if journalists were merely being killed as a result of "collateral damage" amidst indiscriminated bombings I think this assumption is wrong. Journalists are known to try to get the most shocking photos and reports. I would expect their rates of injur…

There should be some level of occupational hazard, but surely not 3x as high when compared to people actually engaged in combat (Journalist:~75:1; Hamas militant:~25:1), and high enough to greatly deplete their numbers.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…

Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit.

Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…

Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit. Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.

HN's standard about this question has been stable for many years: some stories with political overlap are both inevitable and in keeping with the mandate of the site. The question, when it comes to the biggest political topics, is which stories clear that bar.

I've posted about this many times, including quite a few explanations specific to the current topic:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435324 (Feb 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435024 (Feb 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39237176 (Feb 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38947003 (Jan 2024)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38749162 (Dec 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38657829 (Dec 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38657527 (Dec 2023)

Here are links to lots of past explanations I've given about the principles we use to decide these questions more generally:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I noticed if we plot the journalist killings against general population killings in Gaza, the graph deviates from an approximately straight line that might be expected if journalists were merely being killed as a result of "collateral damage" amidst indiscriminated bombings I think this assumption is wrong. Journalists are known to try to get the most shocking photos and reports. I would expect their rates of injur…

There should be some level of occupational hazard, but surely not 3x as high when compared to people actually engaged in combat (Journalist:~75:1; Hamas militant:~25:1), and high enough to greatly deplete their numbers.

In those figures, "Hamas militant" actually means adult man. Nobody is identifying every person killed and checking against a list of Hamas members, they're just claiming every man killed belonged to Hamas.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit. Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.

HN's standard about this question has been stable for many years: some stories with political overlap are both inevitable and in keeping with the mandate of the site. The question, when it comes to the biggest political topics, is which stories clear that bar. I've posted about this many times, including quite a few explanations specific to the current topic: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435324 (Feb 2024) h…

If this topic merits discussion on HN, can you do something about the flagging? It seems like someone is flagging every comment to prevent discussion.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…

Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit. Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.

For me this article raised a estimation problem that I deem as interesting as the German tank problem[1]. I took a crack at it. Wish to see what people with better statistical knowledge than me think of the data and the conclusions. I think my maths/stats intuition for problems like this is OK, but I lack rigour.

[1]. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_tank_problem

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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It’s also very hard to be neutral to indiscriminate bombing of civilians in plain sight

Is your theory that Hamas allows journalists free reign to report on anything in Gaza no matter how unflattering, without shooting the reporters who do so, just so that when Israel bombs the journalists will report the bombing? I doubt that.

Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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I appreciate that this is on here and I hope we can collectively handle it. Tech isn't isolated from this situation, as difficult as it is to admit and talk about with civility and care. A US military software engineer even self immolated recently in protest of what's happening. I don't see what's happening in Gaza as being culturally particular to the specific identity groups involved here. It's a very human situati…

Strongly disagree. This platform for tech news should not become a place for political posts, nor even for posting regular news headlines. Yes we know that reddit sucks but stop trying to make hn into reddit. Also the community can't handle it, just look at the handful of comments we already have here.

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Re: Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war

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It’s also very hard to be neutral to indiscriminate bombing of civilians in plain sight

Is your theory that Hamas allows journalists free reign to report on anything in Gaza no matter how unflattering, without shooting the reporters who do so, just so that when Israel bombs the journalists will report the bombing? I doubt that.

SURE it really seems in Hamas best interest to shoot the few journalists present...

And it's Hamas that's preventing international journalists to enter...

They're terrorists but not stupid

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