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Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by SEJeff »

vegardx wrote: post #9
vmfunction wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

Wild guess: They use significantly more electricity than the average customer that does just about anything else with their hardware. The GPU can easily run at hundreds of watts, and when you add in the required cooling you're probably at 1.5-2x that in total power usage.

This is not a proof of work (bitcoin or pre merge ethereum) node and it does not use more electricity. They singled out solana seemingly and I’m unsure why. We moved about 300 services off of dedicated higher end Hetzner nodes within a week.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by [deleted] »

vegardx wrote: post #9
vmfunction wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

Wild guess: They use significantly more electricity than the average customer that does just about anything else with their hardware. The GPU can easily run at hundreds of watts, and when you add in the required cooling you're probably at 1.5-2x that in total power usage.

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Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by SEJeff »

vmfunction wrote: post #8
SEJeff wrote: post #5

FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

They stated that AFTER they just cut the network access to the hosts. It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. We were running rpc nodes for legit applications and a validator to secure the network.

For me, who’s worked in 50,000+ bare metal Linux environments before, it was just so surprising how sudden and violent it was. Their customer support was amazing until it wasn’t.

Just let it be a lesson, they will arbitrarily change their mind and put your nodes running your business at risk. Even if you’ve broken no laws and are operating in good faith. We were not running and proof of work nonsense that breaks the hardware or uses excess electricity.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by lutoma »

krig wrote: post #7
SEJeff wrote: post #5

FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

Thanks for writing about this. Makes me like Hetzner even more.

I was just about to write that. No crypto scam nonsense in the same datacenter sounds like a plus to me.

(On a more serious note, I imagine the reason Hetzner does not want crypto-related stuff is for the same reasons most hosting companies are not very fond of porn-related sites: High rates of fraud, charge-backs and other potential legal liability).

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by DonHopkins »

SEJeff wrote: post #5

FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

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Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by gosub100 »

vmfunction wrote: post #8
SEJeff wrote: post #5

FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

My guess is it's a huge liability if keys are stolen, and it puts a huge target on their back from people around the world who want to steal crypto keys or DDoS crypto systems.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by actionfromafar »

They shut down my node, because of a "billing problem". (Card was unlocked for online payments, etc.) In response, I tried in vain to pay in advance, and in response my company is now blacklisted by them. It was for a new deployment, so no harm on my side, but it's kind of comical. I didn't even get around to run any services except for a web server with almost no traffic. (It was for a simple backend service, not for public consumption.)

Kind of comical!

Despite that I wouldn't have minded using them again, but never for something which I don't have redundancy with some other provider I can fall back to. AWS can go wrong too, but I think the risk of getting booted before even starting is very low with them.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by Croftengea »

vmfunction wrote: post #8
SEJeff wrote: post #5

FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

Many hosters banned all kind of crypto after advent of file coins, which wear out ssds too quicky.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by tichiian »

SEJeff wrote: post #5

FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

Your fault for not reading their ToS:

https://www.hetzner.com/de/legal/terms-and-conditions/ number 8.1 in the German version, number 4 in the English one: "Furthermore, the operation of applications for mining cryptocurrencies is prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to, mining, farming and plotting of cryptocurrencies. In the case of non-compliance, we are entitled to lock your access to the Service and/or to your account."

Lots of hosters and cloud providers have this and similar exclusions, to keep out the typically shady cryptocurrency crowd, their excessive resource usage, high payment risk and reputation damage.

E.g. Google Cloud also doesn't allow cryptocurrency stuff without prior approval, 3.3 iv: https://cloud.google.com/terms , same for AWS, 1.25: https://aws.amazon.com/service-terms/ So I hope you got your written approval first, otherwise AWS might be equally nasty to you.

Re: Hetzner GEX44 with Nvidia GPU

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Post by grw_ »

vmfunction wrote: post #8
SEJeff wrote: post #5

FYI do not run blockchain related software on Hetzner nodes, even their dedicated bare metal. They are likely to shut the host down. I was running a Solana Testnet Proof of Stake validator for work and they decided to shut the host down at the network layer and refused to give us access to the host. After my employer's legal threatened them, they offered to give us access back, but to be a pain in the butt, they only…

They did officially stated on reddit [1] that they are not supporting crypto related hosting. Just wonder why? Is the GPU/CPU/Network related over use? Or legality related? [1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/hetzner/comments/wucxs4/comment/ilf...

AFAIK it's the high disk IO causing wear on the SSDs, since they specifically mention Solana nodes
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