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Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship

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Re: Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship

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Some friends of mine are yelling "see? our tax code is pushing capital overseas!" My argument is, that with $4B at stake, even if we had a "reasonable" income tax, people like this would still seek out tax havens where the burden is even lower still.

We should give people a number of votes proportional to how much money they have, to give wealthy people more incentive to stay.

That is a joke right? (I really hope so)

Re: Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship

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US citizenship is a nasty trap from which it is extremely difficult to escape. The US is one of a very small number of countries which will happily tax its citizens on income earned overseas, thus causing them to pay double taxes on everything they earn. This has seriously bad consequences for US competitiveness, in particular: 1. It discourages competent foreign citizens from seeking US citizenship (a greencard is s…

I'm not sure if your greencard comment is ironic, but permanent residents (green card holders) are subject to the same "exit tax" described in the article.

Re: Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship

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He's going to regret this down the road. Yes taxing on Worldwide income is absurd but not more absurd than giving up your right to live in the US. There will come a day, probably not too far in the future, where being young and rich on a tiny island isn't fun anymore and he's going to want to do something with his life. He's going to be quite sad when doing it in the United States is no longer an option.

Or like most people who get US visas, they'll just buy their way back into the US.

Re: Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship

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It's common for UK citizens to give up citizenship, prior to an exit in their business and move to Monte-Carlo or Gilbraltar for a few years to avoid capital gains tax. If Facebook blows up on the IPO and the stock value increases 50% or 100% he could easily be saving $500m - $1b in taxes. It's a no-brainer...

It's more of a no-brainer when he isn't even American. He "became" an American citizen in record time - arrived in the US in 1992 and was a citizen by 1998.

I'd say citizenship was given a tad too lightly.

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US citizenship is a nasty trap from which it is extremely difficult to escape. The US is one of a very small number of countries which will happily tax its citizens on income earned overseas, thus causing them to pay double taxes on everything they earn. This has seriously bad consequences for US competitiveness, in particular: 1. It discourages competent foreign citizens from seeking US citizenship (a greencard is s…

"And of course, things like this."

Things like this? I'm a little confused. Are you referring to the US government taxing capital gains income that an extremely rich US citizen earned in the US? Or are you referring to the laws that allow the government to collect those taxes, even when the individual has tried to avoid paying by fleeing the country?

Re: Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship

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Saverin was born in Brazil and has been living in Singapore for a while. There are also probably psychological advantages to being out of Zuckerberg's shadow.

While taxes might have played a role, it's not obvious that this was the principal factor.

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He's going to regret this down the road. Yes taxing on Worldwide income is absurd but not more absurd than giving up your right to live in the US. There will come a day, probably not too far in the future, where being young and rich on a tiny island isn't fun anymore and he's going to want to do something with his life. He's going to be quite sad when doing it in the United States is no longer an option.

I don't think he's going to miss anything US :-)

Re: Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship

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He's going to regret this down the road. Yes taxing on Worldwide income is absurd but not more absurd than giving up your right to live in the US. There will come a day, probably not too far in the future, where being young and rich on a tiny island isn't fun anymore and he's going to want to do something with his life. He's going to be quite sad when doing it in the United States is no longer an option.

Not at all, He can still go to the US as a visitor when eer he wants (he just needs a visa), and even long term by applying to be a resident alien.

Re: Facebook Co-Founder Gives Up U.S. Citizenship

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Some friends of mine are yelling "see? our tax code is pushing capital overseas!" My argument is, that with $4B at stake, even if we had a "reasonable" income tax, people like this would still seek out tax havens where the burden is even lower still.

The article also references new changes in US laws that require even foreign institutions holding funds from US citizens to meet very strict reporting requirements on those funds. In response, some institutions are simply refusing to take funds from US citizens rather than accept what they see as the onerous burden of complying with these reporting requirements.
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