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S.F. schools abandon disastrous payroll system after spending $34M

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Re: S.F. schools abandon disastrous payroll system after spending $34M

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I wonder what this will do the stock of Infosys, and whether it will affect their reputation. And did they really develop it from scratch, or did they deploy an existing system, which then required custom work?

It was customized SAP software.

That partly explains why they experienced issues in the first place.

Re: S.F. schools abandon disastrous payroll system after spending $34M

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was customized SAP software.

That partly explains why they experienced issues in the first place.

SAP works well if you change your business processes to meet SAP's expectations.

If you insist on instead changing SAP to match your business processes – that's how Lidl in Germany wasted €500 million – https://www.henricodolfing.com/2020/05/case-study-lidl-sap-d...

The difference between Lidl and San Francisco Unified School District: Lidl is a private business, so they could have chosen to change their business to do things "the SAP way". SFUSD is a government entity subject to extensive rules and regulations which grant them far less freedom to do that.

Re: S.F. schools abandon disastrous payroll system after spending $34M

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I've been screaming this for years: there was never a rational reason not to buy off-the-shelf solutions. This problem is identical to those faced by thousands, even millions, of other organizations. The solution has been developed and refined for decades. Why should a single school district try to reinvent the wheel from scratch? There must have been bribes and kickbacks involved, as there is no other explanation fo…

SF spent a ton of money to design their own trash can. NIH apparently goes well with NIMBY.

Re: S.F. schools abandon disastrous payroll system after spending $34M

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post #8

I've been screaming this for years: there was never a rational reason not to buy off-the-shelf solutions. This problem is identical to those faced by thousands, even millions, of other organizations. The solution has been developed and refined for decades. Why should a single school district try to reinvent the wheel from scratch? There must have been bribes and kickbacks involved, as there is no other explanation fo…

Hanlon's razor

Re: S.F. schools abandon disastrous payroll system after spending $34M

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post #8

I've been screaming this for years: there was never a rational reason not to buy off-the-shelf solutions. This problem is identical to those faced by thousands, even millions, of other organizations. The solution has been developed and refined for decades. Why should a single school district try to reinvent the wheel from scratch? There must have been bribes and kickbacks involved, as there is no other explanation fo…

The canadian federal government needed a new pay system and they bought "off the shelf" from IBM and it was a complete disaster and cost more than $2.4 BILLION. For payroll software

Re: S.F. schools abandon disastrous payroll system after spending $34M

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That partly explains why they experienced issues in the first place.

SAP works well if you change your business processes to meet SAP's expectations. If you insist on instead changing SAP to match your business processes – that's how Lidl in Germany wasted €500 million – https://www.henricodolfing.com/2020/05/case-study-lidl-sap-d... The difference between Lidl and San Francisco Unified School District: Lidl is a private business, so they could have chosen to change their business to…

Yeah, SAP's whole business is the standardisation of workflows across different businesses in the same work area.

Re: S.F. schools abandon disastrous payroll system after spending $34M

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You are not alone.

The French military payroll system (codename Louvois) took 20 years of attempts to be finally abandonned. It costed about 150 millons euros every year since 2011 and the initial cost was estimated at 60 millions....

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