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Every country, now and throughout history, has homelessness. Are all countries failed countries?
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#13If I read that right, the mortality rate in the general population in 2020 (1027 per 100k); was higher than that found in the homeless community in 2011 (814 per 100k). Who says the world is not becoming more dangerous (and not just among the homeless)?
It might "just" be the homeless population is ageing. We really need a model prediction of how we expected the homeless population death rate to change over time. I doubt it is in a steady state. "The number of Californians 55 and older who sought homelessness services soared 84% between 2017 and 2021" (from the article), so something demographic is changing. It'd be interesting to know what happened to their retirem…
> It'd be interesting to know what happened to their retirement savings.
What happened to what retirement savings?
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#15If I read that right, the mortality rate in the general population in 2020 (1027 per 100k); was higher than that found in the homeless community in 2011 (814 per 100k). Who says the world is not becoming more dangerous (and not just among the homeless)?
Doesn't 1000 per 100k imply roughly average of 100 age span? Which seems really good to me.
No because the population skews younger.
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Every country, now and throughout history, has homelessness. Are all countries failed countries?
Yes, what do you suppose is the meaning of a country? Whats the point of country if there is no safety or benefit for a person.
There’s no point to a country. It’s just a form of governance that is in vogue in the 21st century. Like every bureaucracy, a country wants to grow and survive.
The homeless is also a very broad term. I think this sort of article doesn’t refer to people that are able and willing to work, but have to live from their cars. It’s usually about people that are often incapable of being a functioning member of society, beyond their housing status.
The best way to help these people is not to give them “benefits”. It’s to permanently place them in facilities that can afford them a humane existence. There’s no reasonable amount of “benefit” you can give to some of these people otherwise.
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Yes, what do you suppose is the meaning of a country? Whats the point of country if there is no safety or benefit for a person.
There’s no point to a country. It’s just a form of governance that is in vogue in the 21st century. Like every bureaucracy, a country wants to grow and survive. The homeless is also a very broad term. I think this sort of article doesn’t refer to people that are able and willing to work, but have to live from their cars. It’s usually about people that are often incapable of being a functioning member of society, beyo…
Nordic countries do something absolutely insane and give these people a home. Unheard of I know right. The only homeless you see are either voluntarily homeless, or part of the mafia that extorts money from people pretending to be homeless (around helsinki its common). But I think it's better to view homes as a investment rather than place for a person to live, it's only way to get the numbers that matter up.
Not saying nordic countries are some sort of perfect countries, but it does remind you that if country does not care about you, why should you care about the country.
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#18If I read that right, the mortality rate in the general population in 2020 (1027 per 100k); was higher than that found in the homeless community in 2011 (814 per 100k). Who says the world is not becoming more dangerous (and not just among the homeless)?
It might "just" be the homeless population is ageing. We really need a model prediction of how we expected the homeless population death rate to change over time. I doubt it is in a steady state. "The number of Californians 55 and older who sought homelessness services soared 84% between 2017 and 2021" (from the article), so something demographic is changing. It'd be interesting to know what happened to their retirem…
45% percent of households with members ages 55 to 64 have no savings at all. The median retirement account balance is about $100,000; most middle-class people need $600,000. There are 39 million workers 55 and older in the U.S. Workers 75 and older are the fastest-growing age segment of the workforce.
https://www.ssa.gov/news/press/factsheets/basicfact-alt.pdf
https://web.archive.org/web/20231028173718/https://www.nirso...
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39448800
Housing is also wildly unaffordable.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39550922 (citations)
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#19>> For many people, living on the streets of California is a death sentence.
Canada had few -40C nights this winter, homeless shelters were completely full.
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This can't be repeated enough. We can't even take care of ourselves.