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Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

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Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#11

Post by threeseed »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #10
audunw wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably, if they have a limited production rate on this “prototype” - which it seems they do - pricing it so only the ones who are extremely enthusiastic, or ones that will actually develop apps for it and thus consider it an investment, is absolutely the right thing to do. Meanwhile they also get that halo effect where they establish it as a premium product. If they later drop the price or let inflation slowly redu…

But why would you release a "limited production prototype" to the public for purchase as a finished product? It's very non-Apple. The iPod, iPhone, iPad etc were not released as limited edition prototypes. I don't think Steve Jobs, had he still be alive and in charge, would have released the AVP yet in this state. Same how Appel hasn't yet released a folding phone even though Android OEMs have been doing it for 5 yea…

Once again revisionist history in effect.

The Vision Pro is on par with the level of quality as the original iPhone or Apple Watch. And has sold better than both.

Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#12

Post by FirmwareBurner »

zitterbewegung wrote: post #2

When does Apple even make this claim that this should be is better / worse at the task? I get the idea of testing this for the purpose of testing this outcome but when I’m using safari or a movie this doesn’t come up as much but if you use pass through it is apparent. This is an intentional engineering choice and keeps on getting reposted…

>When does Apple even make this claim that this should be is better / worse at the task?

But then at what kind of tasks is the AVP better at in order to justify its existence/purchase?

Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#13

Post by andsoitis »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #10
audunw wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably, if they have a limited production rate on this “prototype” - which it seems they do - pricing it so only the ones who are extremely enthusiastic, or ones that will actually develop apps for it and thus consider it an investment, is absolutely the right thing to do. Meanwhile they also get that halo effect where they establish it as a premium product. If they later drop the price or let inflation slowly redu…

But why would you release a "limited production prototype" to the public for purchase as a finished product? It's very non-Apple. The iPod, iPhone, iPad etc were not released as limited edition prototypes. I don't think Steve Jobs, had he still be alive and in charge, would have released the AVP yet in this state. Same how Appel hasn't yet released a folding phone even though Android OEMs have been doing it for 5 yea…

> I don't think Steve Jobs, had he still be alive and in charge, would have released the AVP yet in this state.

Even assuming that, what does it matter? He’s not around and times change.

Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#14

Post by FirmwareBurner »

andsoitis wrote: post #13
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why would you release a "limited production prototype" to the public for purchase as a finished product? It's very non-Apple. The iPod, iPhone, iPad etc were not released as limited edition prototypes. I don't think Steve Jobs, had he still be alive and in charge, would have released the AVP yet in this state. Same how Appel hasn't yet released a folding phone even though Android OEMs have been doing it for 5 yea…

> I don't think Steve Jobs, had he still be alive and in charge, would have released the AVP yet in this state. Even assuming that, what does it matter? He’s not around and times change.

>Even assuming that, what does it matter? He’s not around and times change.

Because they can also change for the worst. This product is less Apple iPad and more Apple Newton. Both were great innovative technical achievements of tablet computers in their eras, but only one was a smash hit with the mainstream public.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Newton

Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#15

Post by jwells89 »

threeseed wrote: post #11
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why would you release a "limited production prototype" to the public for purchase as a finished product? It's very non-Apple. The iPod, iPhone, iPad etc were not released as limited edition prototypes. I don't think Steve Jobs, had he still be alive and in charge, would have released the AVP yet in this state. Same how Appel hasn't yet released a folding phone even though Android OEMs have been doing it for 5 yea…

Once again revisionist history in effect. The Vision Pro is on par with the level of quality as the original iPhone or Apple Watch. And has sold better than both.

Arguably the original iPod fits in alongside the original iPhone and Watch. It was significantly less of a finished, polished product than the commercially successful 3/4th gen models onward that people tend to think of when iPods are mentioned.

Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#16

Post by h0l0cube »

xnx wrote: post #8

From John Carmack on Twitter: https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1764016979101286756 "Meta’s optics and contrast may indeed actually be better, but this is almost certainly not a definitive comparison — too many variables around casting compression and window buffer resolution. Does Immersed use the supersampled layer option with a window above the display resolution? (with an sRGB texture for gamma correct fil…

The author received both devices from tear downs by iFixIt and was able to see the image without the lens (without the blurring) as explained in Part 1. Though it seems the AVP tends to do some post processing no matter how they image is displayed

> I see different processing and artifacts happening when natively rendering on the AVP (such as when running Excel), displaying a saved bitmap from a file on the AVP, displaying a bitmap image on a web page, and mirroring the content of a MacBook. With each test image, seeing how it will display differently with each display mode is an adventure.

https://kguttag.com/2024/02/16/apple-vision-pros-avp-image-q...

Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#17

Post by asadotzler »

threeseed wrote: post #11
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But why would you release a "limited production prototype" to the public for purchase as a finished product? It's very non-Apple. The iPod, iPhone, iPad etc were not released as limited edition prototypes. I don't think Steve Jobs, had he still be alive and in charge, would have released the AVP yet in this state. Same how Appel hasn't yet released a folding phone even though Android OEMs have been doing it for 5 yea…

Once again revisionist history in effect. The Vision Pro is on par with the level of quality as the original iPhone or Apple Watch. And has sold better than both.

Only because the connected market is many times larger did it sell better. It's not fit for purpose and the audience will take a decade or more to reach numbers that make it worth it for app developers and even then it'll be a dorkbox for your face and not used much at all by the "productivity" half of the office that care about hair and makeup.

Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#18

Post by htk »

It reads like this guy has an axe to grind with the AVP or with reviewers. He really wants to convince the reader that the product is not good and it doesn't matter what people feel about it.

I'm all for objective analysis, but what if the slight blurriness helps with the immersion? And what's the problem with the displays not being as precise as 1080p monitors if the immersion is good and people are satisfied with the image?

I decided against buying the Vision Pro but for other reasons, mainly the OS being a fork of iPadOS instead of MacOS, the impossibility to use it as a monitor like the XReal and many others, and the weight.

Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

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Post by [deleted] »

asadotzler wrote: post #17
threeseed wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Once again revisionist history in effect. The Vision Pro is on par with the level of quality as the original iPhone or Apple Watch. And has sold better than both.

Only because the connected market is many times larger did it sell better. It's not fit for purpose and the audience will take a decade or more to reach numbers that make it worth it for app developers and even then it'll be a dorkbox for your face and not used much at all by the "productivity" half of the office that care about hair and makeup.

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Re: Apple Vision Pro's Optics Blurrier and Lower Contrast Than Meta Quest 3

#20

Post by pfannkuchen »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #6

Also the FoV is narrower on the AVP than the Quest. Granted, all current headsets suck at this, as in it's less AR/VR and more like looking through a pair of binoculars which absolutely sucks for immersion, but it's crazy the AVP has a worse Fov than a Quest that's 7 times cheaper. Only Apple can get people to pay 3.5K to be beta testers of a devkit/prototype. > The AVP image is much worse than a cheap monitor displa…

I strongly suspect the narrow FOV is an intentional trade off for increased pixel density, probably to enable practically readable text. If the FOV was much wider with the same pixel count I don’t think text would be really usable.
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