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Re: Home Screen Advantage

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I don’t use any PWA’s and I am not so sympathetic from claims of harm from removing/deprecating PWA’s without some data on the size and impact of this change. Xbox Gamepass presumably would be the largest one/best example, is that how they ask people on iOS to stream games?

I can't speak to whether this is still true, but there was a time period where Apple would reject certain categories of iOS app store submissions and tell people to just make a website - 'simple webview' type stuff, like apps for a small business etc. The natural response to that is to make a PWA if Apple says you're not good enough for the store. Now that option is going away, so I can understand if people who previ…

Yes, it is the "Minimum Functionality" requirement , still in the books:

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#min...

> 4.2 Minimum Functionality

> Your app should include features, content, and UI that elevate it beyond a repackaged website. If your app is not particularly useful, unique, or “app-like,” it doesn’t belong on the App Store. If your App doesn’t provide some sort of lasting entertainment value or adequate utility, it may not be accepted.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

It's not that easy on Android either. Rooting usually requires a factory reset and several apps (e.g. banking) will not work if they detect the system is rooted.

edit: Also, in some cases you lose warranty.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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post #6

I don’t use any PWA’s and I am not so sympathetic from claims of harm from removing/deprecating PWA’s without some data on the size and impact of this change. Xbox Gamepass presumably would be the largest one/best example, is that how they ask people on iOS to stream games?

> of harm from removing/deprecating PWA’s without some data on the size and impact of this change

Apple just introduced a lot of PWA feature on Desktop Safari on the last WWDC, and improvements on iOS like web-push were introduced with iOS 16.4 just less than 1 year ago [0]. The impact can't be that big for stuff Apple just released recently. And now they are killing it outright again.

[0]: https://www.macrumors.com/guide/ios-16-4-new-features/

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

You do not need root on android to install a .apk file. I see too many people thinking iOS and Android are on equal starting ground.

Android out of the box is fairly close to jailbroken iOS. Very few things require root.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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post #6

I don’t use any PWA’s and I am not so sympathetic from claims of harm from removing/deprecating PWA’s without some data on the size and impact of this change. Xbox Gamepass presumably would be the largest one/best example, is that how they ask people on iOS to stream games?

I use many PWAs on my iPhone, they have a few issues but I find they’re way more preferably to installing apps

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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I think removing persistent storage and the ability to add websites to the home screen makes it obvious what their strategy is. The EU shows that they want interoperability for big players like they do with messenger interoperability in the DMA. The web is such a fundamental standard and its interoperability is so important I guess the EU will fine Apple for such behavior. The question is how soon this will happen.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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post #14

It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

It's not that easy on Android either. Rooting usually requires a factory reset and several apps (e.g. banking) will not work if they detect the system is rooted. edit: Also, in some cases you lose warranty.

The fact that you can't install apps from your own xcode and run locally (used to be at all now I guess seven day limit) is silly.

On Android, with Android 12, we can now have apps on neostore (fdroid frontend) auto update. There is no good reason to defend apple here. You as a user are always free to not install third party app stores.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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post #7

"True character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure - the greater the pressure, the deeper the revelation, the truer the choice to the character's essential nature." — Robert McKee

Well, the "true character" of any company is essentially being a greedy asshole - and that's no surprise, if they weren't that way from the beginning, the shareholders would dictate this behavior. I know some people think Apple is an exception - maybe these latest shenanigans will change their minds, but I wouldn't bet on it...
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