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Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by krisoft »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #8
krisoft wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we routinely just don't want to know kids are abused it seems Did you conclude that from the fact that there is a Wall Street Journal describing said corrupt practice? This is a scandal. I hope people will go to prison (parents and costumers alike if what is described is true.) I hope Facebook develops better tools to prevent this from happening. If not I want people from Facebook to also go to prison. Is this how…

Yes, in my book, this should not have happened. If people were honest about how common child exploitation is and really cared about it, it shouldn't have gotten to "and now there is an article about a scandal on the front page of HN about how far this went before anyone cared."

> this should not have happened

We agree on that.

> If people were honest about how common child exploitation is

I don’t know what “being honest” means. Do you think that there are masses who know about such exploitation and remain silent? If so please bring it to the attention of authorities.

> it shouldn't have gotten to

It shouldn’t. Someone responsible at facebook should have said “damn, this is very bad. We are shutting this down now, and reporting everyone to the authorities”

> how far this went before anyone cared

Caring presuposes that one knows about something. The fact that it is a scandal once it become known means that people care.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#12

Post by DoreenMichele »

krisoft wrote: post #11
DoreenMichele wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in my book, this should not have happened. If people were honest about how common child exploitation is and really cared about it, it shouldn't have gotten to "and now there is an article about a scandal on the front page of HN about how far this went before anyone cared."

> this should not have happened We agree on that. > If people were honest about how common child exploitation is I don’t know what “being honest” means. Do you think that there are masses who know about such exploitation and remain silent? If so please bring it to the attention of authorities. > it shouldn't have gotten to It shouldn’t. Someone responsible at facebook should have said “damn, this is very bad. We are…

I think odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester and didn't want people to ask the hard questions.

And until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things without it being part of an attempt to get laid, people with dirty secrets who want tools to enable their crimes will have more say in "let's just gloss over this detail" than people who want something else.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#14

Post by krisoft »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #12
krisoft wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this should not have happened We agree on that. > If people were honest about how common child exploitation is I don’t know what “being honest” means. Do you think that there are masses who know about such exploitation and remain silent? If so please bring it to the attention of authorities. > it shouldn't have gotten to It shouldn’t. Someone responsible at facebook should have said “damn, this is very bad. We are…

I think odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester and didn't want people to ask the hard questions. And until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things without it being part of an attempt to get laid, people with dirty secrets who want tools to enable their crimes will have more say in "let's just gloss over this detail" than people who want something else.

> until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things

We are adults, we are having a substantive discussion about the topic.

> without it being part of an attempt to get laid

I don’t understand this part. I don’t know how this conversation would get anyone laid: “hey we just found out that bad actors are misusing our system, how do you think we should prevent this? Should we ban all monetised children accounts or only the ones the moderator team flags?”

> odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester

I think odds are good someone wanted a promotion by “moving fast and breaking things” and they haven’t entirely realised what are the consequences of not implementing more sophisticated safeguards.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by [deleted] »

krisoft wrote: post #11
DoreenMichele wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, in my book, this should not have happened. If people were honest about how common child exploitation is and really cared about it, it shouldn't have gotten to "and now there is an article about a scandal on the front page of HN about how far this went before anyone cared."

> this should not have happened We agree on that. > If people were honest about how common child exploitation is I don’t know what “being honest” means. Do you think that there are masses who know about such exploitation and remain silent? If so please bring it to the attention of authorities. > it shouldn't have gotten to It shouldn’t. Someone responsible at facebook should have said “damn, this is very bad. We are…

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Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

#18

Post by DoreenMichele »

krisoft wrote: post #14
DoreenMichele wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think odds are good that someone in the room was a child molester and didn't want people to ask the hard questions. And until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things without it being part of an attempt to get laid, people with dirty secrets who want tools to enable their crimes will have more say in "let's just gloss over this detail" than people who want something else.

> until it is okay for adults to have substantive discussions about such things We are adults, we are having a substantive discussion about the topic. > without it being part of an attempt to get laid I don’t understand this part. I don’t know how this conversation would get anyone laid: “hey we just found out that bad actors are misusing our system, how do you think we should prevent this? Should we ban all monetise…

I've been on HN for closing in on fifteen years. I have been open from the start about having been molested and raped as a child and also about being a divorced single mom who needs an income.

Most men who talk to me more than a little are hoping to get involved with me romantically. Trying to use HN to network professionally and establish an adequate income has been a spectacular failure.

While homeless, I was the "most prominent" openly female member of HN and trying to establish an earned income via freelance writing and resume work and couldn't do it. Meanwhile, merely being obviously homeless and not excessively ugly got me offers of cash for sex.

The entire world works this way. I have had people here tell me there is something very wrong with a woman talking about topics like sexual assault on an overwhelmingly male forum. I have had that said by someone who essentially positioned themselves as a trans activist which makes me wonder if you are a mtf trans individual, just who are you allowed to talk to about such topics? Only other mtf trans individuals?

Why is my gender something of importance here?

I have been dismissed for years as not having a valid point that as the apparently highest ranked woman in terms of karma on HN I still cannot manage to use this platform the way plenty of men do so: To earn an adequate living.

I shall sit back and wait for the comments insisting that is off-topic and irrelevant to role in. Or other means to try to stomp the point into the ground.

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by DoreenMichele »

defrost wrote: post #13

Related discussion: *Marketplace of Girl Influencers Managed by Moms, Stalked by Men# (nytimes.com) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39476721

There's another on an article from The Verge:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39505113

Re: Meta Staff Found Instagram Tool Enabled Child Exploitation. They Did It Anyway

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Post by simmerup »

javajosh wrote: post #10

The title alone is problematic. Do not auto-makers enable kidnapping and robbery? Do not camera-makers enable child exploitation? Tools don't have morality - people do. Consider that the same argument is routinely used to criticize, for example, secure chat services like Signal. If you really want to protect children, just put a smart-collar on every child that records every interaction they have, and put it online f…

Instagram houses a community that Meta has a duty of care to. It’s not just a tool.
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