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Re: Canadian Government paid $60M for one app

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Post by loceng »

supsep2 wrote: post #10
loceng wrote: post #6

This is the tip of the iceberg of the massive increase in the Trudeau government's spending, and without oversight. There was a 2-person company that was found to have been paid $20 million of that $60 million and did no work. NOTE: the $60 million price tag is only an ESTIMATE as the accounting was so poorly done, the person put in charge to investigate couldn't actually determine how much was spent due to how badly…

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And isn't it interesting how you're parroting the $2.2 billion amount, which was simply an estimate or guess (or propaganda) of how much that could balloon to; unless you have an updated source that's not speculation from 2018?

And how much of the responsibility should IBM hold for this failure?

Also, I wonder, do you know who in the government actually executed on the policy - even if it a bill was passed by the Conservatives? Was it unelected and unionized government workers who are tasked with it, and was it them who are more responsible or the politicians more responsible? Do you know where I can find that breakdown or are arguments going to stay fairly shallow rather than going deep to investigate where responsibility actually lies, rather than you seeming to try whataboutism that simply reinforces the "lesser of two evils" dichotomy that we've been forced to vote for.

Re: Canadian Government paid $60M for one app

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Post by loceng »

akudha wrote: post #9
loceng wrote: post #6

This is the tip of the iceberg of the massive increase in the Trudeau government's spending, and without oversight. There was a 2-person company that was found to have been paid $20 million of that $60 million and did no work. NOTE: the $60 million price tag is only an ESTIMATE as the accounting was so poorly done, the person put in charge to investigate couldn't actually determine how much was spent due to how badly…

Trudeau government has also refused to share with Canadians where exactly the additional $600 How does this happen in a democracy? They say “nah, not gonna tell you” and everyone accepts it? No way to force them to disclose?

The Trudeau-Liberals forms a coalition with the NDP which gave them a defacto majority government + Liberals claim something like Canadians knowing what media-propagandists received how much state-funding media would be a security threat or something like that, so using a certain clause in bad faith to hide who's being rewarded for toeing their line.

Re: Canadian Government paid $60M for one app

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Post by k12sosse »

loceng wrote: post #11
supsep2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And isn't it interesting how you're parroting the $2.2 billion amount, which was simply an estimate or guess (or propaganda) of how much that could balloon to; unless you have an updated source that's not speculation from 2018? And how much of the responsibility should IBM hold for this failure? Also, I wonder, do you know who in the government actually executed on the policy - even if it a bill was passed by the Con…

What I do know is my friends and their parents have had a living nightmare because it it.

Re: Canadian Government paid $60M for one app

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Post by supsep2 »

loceng wrote: post #11
supsep2 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And isn't it interesting how you're parroting the $2.2 billion amount, which was simply an estimate or guess (or propaganda) of how much that could balloon to; unless you have an updated source that's not speculation from 2018? And how much of the responsibility should IBM hold for this failure? Also, I wonder, do you know who in the government actually executed on the policy - even if it a bill was passed by the Con…

I am not “parroting” anything and stop making this a left vs right debate. It should be everyone vs mega rich and mega powerful.

The estimations are on the conservative end too, a google search will show that its damage is more.

Our government sucks and has sucked for a long time.

Re: Canadian Government paid $60M for one app

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Post by LudwigNagasena »

akudha wrote: post #9
loceng wrote: post #6

This is the tip of the iceberg of the massive increase in the Trudeau government's spending, and without oversight. There was a 2-person company that was found to have been paid $20 million of that $60 million and did no work. NOTE: the $60 million price tag is only an ESTIMATE as the accounting was so poorly done, the person put in charge to investigate couldn't actually determine how much was spent due to how badly…

Trudeau government has also refused to share with Canadians where exactly the additional $600 How does this happen in a democracy? They say “nah, not gonna tell you” and everyone accepts it? No way to force them to disclose?

Because people keep voting for them.

Re: Canadian Government paid $60M for one app

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Post by loceng »

supsep2 wrote: post #14
loceng wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And isn't it interesting how you're parroting the $2.2 billion amount, which was simply an estimate or guess (or propaganda) of how much that could balloon to; unless you have an updated source that's not speculation from 2018? And how much of the responsibility should IBM hold for this failure? Also, I wonder, do you know who in the government actually executed on the policy - even if it a bill was passed by the Con…

I am not “parroting” anything and stop making this a left vs right debate. It should be everyone vs mega rich and mega powerful. The estimations are on the conservative end too, a google search will show that its damage is more. Our government sucks and has sucked for a long time.

You are in fact the one who made it left vs. right debate, I was referencing specifically the Trudeau government - not any political party, in part because the Liberals and NDP parties are not what they were more than 8 years ago. I was simply mentioning who was responsible for implementing and oversight of ArriveCan.

And no, it should be the corrupt vs. everyone. Being rich-successful doesn't equate to causing harm to society nor being a bad actor, of course the bad actors will use that #EatTheRich propaganda to rile up an ideological mob to further divide and conquer and misdirect the mob at everyone wealthy-successful rather than being nuanced and precise in their targeting.

Re: Canadian Government paid $60M for one app

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Post by supsep2 »

loceng wrote: post #16
supsep2 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not “parroting” anything and stop making this a left vs right debate. It should be everyone vs mega rich and mega powerful. The estimations are on the conservative end too, a google search will show that its damage is more. Our government sucks and has sucked for a long time.

You are in fact the one who made it left vs. right debate, I was referencing specifically the Trudeau government - not any political party, in part because the Liberals and NDP parties are not what they were more than 8 years ago. I was simply mentioning who was responsible for implementing and oversight of ArriveCan. And no, it should be the corrupt vs. everyone. Being rich-successful doesn't equate to causing harm…

Well if you want to make it left vs right.

60 million is pennies for government spending. 2 billion is not.

So calling out that the mega rich and mega powerful are the enemies of the world, further divides us? I think their greed alright divided us. Just talking about isn’t going to widen the gap.

Also, relax.

Re: Canadian Government paid $60M for one app

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Post by loceng »

supsep2 wrote: post #17
loceng wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are in fact the one who made it left vs. right debate, I was referencing specifically the Trudeau government - not any political party, in part because the Liberals and NDP parties are not what they were more than 8 years ago. I was simply mentioning who was responsible for implementing and oversight of ArriveCan. And no, it should be the corrupt vs. everyone. Being rich-successful doesn't equate to causing harm…

Well if you want to make it left vs right. 60 million is pennies for government spending. 2 billion is not. So calling out that the mega rich and mega powerful are the enemies of the world, further divides us? I think their greed alright divided us. Just talking about isn’t going to widen the gap. Also, relax.

You don't seem to actually care about the full picture. $60 million isn't the full picture, and the $2.2 billion isn't the full picture from the past - that is an estimate number, so how about you first see the total spending of Trudeau's Liberals and also find out if that $2.2 billion estimate predicted in 2018 for Phoenix system overages by 2023 is actually what happened?

Also, ad hominem - I'm relaxed.

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