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Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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Even the real version is the app is a software wallet right? If you have almost 500k in BTC and do not have it on a hardware wallet and use their official software for it, I have to say it's at least partially on you if you lose it.

Bitcoin "wallet" is just a pair of public and private keys. Honest question - what is the difference between a "hardware wallet" and a thumbdrive with the keys on it, except for the price tag?

Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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post #11
post #3

Even the real version is the app is a software wallet right? If you have almost 500k in BTC and do not have it on a hardware wallet and use their official software for it, I have to say it's at least partially on you if you lose it.

Bitcoin "wallet" is just a pair of public and private keys. Honest question - what is the difference between a "hardware wallet" and a thumbdrive with the keys on it, except for the price tag?

When you plug a hardware wallet into a computer it can't get the keys off the wallet. It can only ask the hardware wallet to sign a transaction, and the hardware wallet asks the user to confirm.

When you plug a thumbdrive with keys on it into a computer the computer can just take the keys.

It's the same as the difference between a YubiKey and a thumbdrive with GPG keys on it.

Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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Clearly you didn't RTFA. This mistake was on Canonical / is due to a lack of vetting in the Ubuntu app store.

I don't know jack about crypto but surely we shouldn't expect a distro provider to be vetting financial instruments?

Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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‘ I’m writing this in the hope Canonical will fix its processes so reputation-damaging events like this don’t keep happening.’

That is such a poor attitude. Instead maybe hope that canonical may fix the lax vetting and security of their store, but to care directly about their reputation and not the user who was scammed due to their weak practices goes hand in hand with everything else I’ve seen from snap.

Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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This is scary and even a hardware wallet might not help. When I create a transaction with Electrum on my computer, I use a hardware wallet to sign the transaction. When I sign the transaction, the hardware wallet shows the amounts, and the output addresses. But if my copy of Electrum was backdoored and smart about what it did, it could use an output address for the remaining amount that went to another wallet. And si…

So many of these exploits boil down to "hardware wallets not providing enough/the right information".

The screen is tiny, and protocol devs don't usually put a lot of thought into making stuff easily human readable. Ideally a transaction can be fully understood and verified from the hardware wallet but we still have a ways to go.

Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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> They likely saw a button like this in the "App Centre", which gave them some confidence in the application. [...] Furthermore the title of the Snapcraft web frontend says "Snaps are containerised software packages that are simple to create and install. They auto-update and are safe to run."

Sounds like assurances made by UX and Marketing, which engineering might've been able to tell them they can't make.

If it ends up costing them $490K plus legal fees, that's still a relatively inexpensive way to learn this lesson.

Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly you didn't RTFA. This mistake was on Canonical / is due to a lack of vetting in the Ubuntu app store.

I don't know jack about crypto but surely we shouldn't expect a distro provider to be vetting financial instruments?

There was malware in the Snap store! This could've just as easily been a password manager and wiped out the guy's bank account.

Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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Cryptocurrency is the only place where regular people use cryptography that they control in a way that matters enough for someone to attack it. Of course we will see mistakes being made. Covering your ears and singing "lalala crypto bad" instead of trying to learn how to make cryptography easier to use is boring.

Re: Exodus Bitcoin Wallet: $490k swindle

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‘ I’m writing this in the hope Canonical will fix its processes so reputation-damaging events like this don’t keep happening.’ That is such a poor attitude. Instead maybe hope that canonical may fix the lax vetting and security of their store, but to care directly about their reputation and not the user who was scammed due to their weak practices goes hand in hand with everything else I’ve seen from snap.

Maybe I could have worded that sentence better. Thanks for the feedback. It wasn't intended the way you took it. But I appreciate you mentioning it anyway.
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