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Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

In what way do you see this program overcorrecting?

Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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post #6

Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

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Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

If you want to overcorrect for a particular person who was discriminated against, that's one thing. But to overcorrect with people who did not themselves experience any discrimination, they are just in the same socially-popular category is itself discrimination and is just as bad.

Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

This makes no sense.

Everyone alive today has 50% female ancestors and 50% male ancestors. Regardless of your gender identity, your ancestry is equally balanced in terms of gender privilege.

Biasing for/against people today is just a new injustice, it doesn't retroactively fix the injustices of the past, and the individual being discriminated against wasn't alive or working during the time or place when people matching their demographic would have been advantaged.

Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

This makes no sense. Everyone alive today has 50% female ancestors and 50% male ancestors. Regardless of your gender identity, your ancestry is equally balanced in terms of gender privilege. Biasing for/against people today is just a new injustice, it doesn't retroactively fix the injustices of the past, and the individual being discriminated against wasn't alive or working during the time or place when people matchi…

> it doesn't retroactively fix the injustices of the past,

But it does help compensate for the injustices of the present. Culture is inertial: hundreds of years of tradition doesn't go away overnight, even if we no longer approve of it.

Euronews reports that the 2023 WebSummit survey found “more than 50 per cent of the 500 female participants saying they had experienced sexism in the workplace”, whereas “just six per cent of the male participants disagreed there was gender equality and 14 per cent said they neither agreed nor disagreed”. (The WebSummit website is awful, but if you really want a direct source: [1] links to Google Drive.) I wonder how much that effect is in play in the comments here.

[0]: https://www.euronews.com/next/2024/02/11/four-in-five-men-in...

[1]: https://websummit.com/blog/women-tech-workplace-gender-bias-...

Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

The dead are not alive and the live are not dead.

We want to have a just system for the living.

Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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What should be taken away from this study? They found in two tiers no notable difference, and a slight advantage to women in the other, with the effect growing over time. Then they state that this is all correlation, and we don't know about a dozen or two different variables such as whether the grant process self selects for more men to apply (and thus fail). No conclusion that men are disadvantaged may be drawn, the…

There an ongoing desire to know if the different between men and women in the sciences is due to innate differences, or due to society causing a difference.

Research on this topic is rare, so when some is available people are very interested.

Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

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Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

> Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMH

So the MRAs telling me feminists want to go beyond equality and advantage women over men are right!? I have been constantly told that was just a straw-man argument.

Gender equality is a vastly more popular position than privileging one over another. Openly stating that your goal is create gender inequality is an easy ticket to make your movement unappealing.

Re: Gender differences in Dutch research funding over time

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Overcorrecting after eons of patriarchal dominance is expected and not necessarily a bad thing IMHO. In some countries (e.g. Sweden), prioritising a certain gender over another for research funding is explicit (and widely accepted) public policy.

There's a difference between demanding fairness and demanding vengeance.
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