An human would not fall for that. Chatbots can be tricked and exploited.
Humans will absolutely fall for that.
Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
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Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
#12This sounds similar to the guy that xeeted about fooling a car dealership chatbot into selling him a car for $1. Different jurisdiction though. https://venturebeat.com/ai/a-chevy-for-1-car-dealer-chatbots...
I wonder if intent matters. I think it's pretty obvious from the $1 car case that the guy was intentionally trying to break the bot. In this case, it's much more plausible that it was a genuine misunderstanding. I'm obviously not a lawyer, I have no idea if that matters. But going by my gut feeling, I agree with the outcome of both cases.
>I wonder if intent matters.
I doubt that the dealership would feel their intent mattered if they overcharged the same guy and he balked. Isn't that the whole goal in this stupid way of buying cars that we have to deal with?
Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
#13discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39378235
And submitted a number of other times here and there and everywhere
https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
#14… But when Moffatt later attempted to receive the discount, he learned that the chatbot had been wrong. Air Canada only awarded bereavement fees if the request had been submitted before a flight. The airline later argued the chatbot was a separate legal entity “responsible for its own actions,”…. How exactly do you go about making a chatbot a legal entity?
Maybe the airline accidentally hired lawyers that have a conscience and wanted to help regular people so they intentionally used a stupid argument?
Yeah, but would it not be cool for this Ruling to have set a precedent for AI personhood? - thats something you would read in a humorously written scifi story
Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
#15This sounds similar to the guy that xeeted about fooling a car dealership chatbot into selling him a car for $1. Different jurisdiction though. https://venturebeat.com/ai/a-chevy-for-1-car-dealer-chatbots...
I wonder if intent matters. I think it's pretty obvious from the $1 car case that the guy was intentionally trying to break the bot. In this case, it's much more plausible that it was a genuine misunderstanding. I'm obviously not a lawyer, I have no idea if that matters. But going by my gut feeling, I agree with the outcome of both cases.
> I wonder if intent matters. I think it's pretty obvious from the $1 car case that the guy was intentionally trying to break the bot.
IANAL either, but I thought it was that obvious errors are not usually upheld in these scenarios. (Where "obvious" is something like "a reasonable person would think…".) So a $1 car would probably be an obvious error, unless there was some reason for you to think the car was worth nothing. (A $1 car where you purposefully manipulated the bot into making that offer… well.)
But here, there seems to be nothing obviously wrong with the chatbot's offer. Bereavement flights/discounts are a thing, and permitting someone to file the necessary paperwork after the fact for 90d also sounds reasonable, since deaths can be sudden and unexpected, that would be a kind thing to offer.
The court's ruling seems sound here. "Our chatbot is a separate legal entity", OTOH…
Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
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Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
#17… But when Moffatt later attempted to receive the discount, he learned that the chatbot had been wrong. Air Canada only awarded bereavement fees if the request had been submitted before a flight. The airline later argued the chatbot was a separate legal entity “responsible for its own actions,”…. How exactly do you go about making a chatbot a legal entity?
Moreover, how does one hold a chatbot responsible?
* Send it to a piece of RAM which then gets paged to disk
* Make it give up 90% RAM privileges for 2 weeks
* Threaten it with removal of last month's worth of training data
Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe the airline accidentally hired lawyers that have a conscience and wanted to help regular people so they intentionally used a stupid argument?
Yeah, but would it not be cool for this Ruling to have set a precedent for AI personhood? - thats something you would read in a humorously written scifi story
Oops. Accidental personhood.
But only airplane chatbots.
Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
#19… But when Moffatt later attempted to receive the discount, he learned that the chatbot had been wrong. Air Canada only awarded bereavement fees if the request had been submitted before a flight. The airline later argued the chatbot was a separate legal entity “responsible for its own actions,”…. How exactly do you go about making a chatbot a legal entity?
This gets close to the law of principal and agent. Are "intelligent agents" agents in the legal sense? That is, is the principal responsible for their actions?
That's usually the case for employees, unless the employee clearly acted outside the scope of their employment. AI systems operated on behalf of a business should be held to the same standard.
There's an economic theory of accounting for mistakes of agents.[1] There's a cost of mistakes, and a cost of decreasing the error rate. So it's something that can be priced into the cost of running the business.
[1] https://www.pthistle.faculty.unlv.edu/WorkingPapers/pamistak...
Re: Air Canada chatbot promised a discount. Now the airline has to pay it
#20Companies will probably stop using these kind of chat bots if people keep exploiting them. Not that anyone should do that. But I'm just saying that's probably what they would do.