typical champagne socialist post. just look at Oakland and see if lax on crime policies work.
Penalty length has very little effect on crime motivation. The most important factor is the likelihood of getting caught. You want to see crime rates drop? Shift a large percentage of the prison budget to the police.
The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel
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#12Like all high morality, more advanced rehabilitation methods and/or more pleasant segregation of criminals from law abiding members of society, is a privilege of wealth. The richer we collectively are, the more resources we can devote to managing counterproductive individuals more humanely. The poorer we are, the more likely we have to resort to more barbaric methods of order maintenance, like execution. Therefore, i…
or higher taxes on the rich?
Also, wealth isn't just in the form of money.
A culture that produces few criminals is a form of wealth that can't be captured by taxes.
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#13To state that the reason the maximum is 5 years is because the item was religious in nature, then ignore that fact when calculating the cost of the offense tells me this person is starting from a conclusion and working backwards. By this methodology, conspiracy to commit murder should get no jail time since the "cost" is $0.
I'm not saying 5 years would be fair in this instance, just that obviously this is about more than the raw monetary cost...
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#14typical champagne socialist post. just look at Oakland and see if lax on crime policies work.
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#15Over-reliance on prison seems to have worked astonishingly well for El Salvador. If your metric is murder rates then it's probably a world record in terms of change in murder rate from the highest in the world (106 per 100k in 2015) to one of the lowest (2.4 per 100k in 2023).
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#16Like all high morality, more advanced rehabilitation methods and/or more pleasant segregation of criminals from law abiding members of society, is a privilege of wealth. The richer we collectively are, the more resources we can devote to managing counterproductive individuals more humanely. The poorer we are, the more likely we have to resort to more barbaric methods of order maintenance, like execution. Therefore, i…
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#18Like all high morality, more advanced rehabilitation methods and/or more pleasant segregation of criminals from law abiding members of society, is a privilege of wealth. The richer we collectively are, the more resources we can devote to managing counterproductive individuals more humanely. The poorer we are, the more likely we have to resort to more barbaric methods of order maintenance, like execution. Therefore, i…
Yes, clearly, the US prison system is the way it is is because of lack of wealth /s
Re: The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel
#19Alternatively, a market opportunity. I ensure that $45k/y of damage is done to my friend’s property. The state, eschewing incarceration, merely makes my friend whole. A new Tesla every year for him at no cost to either of us locally. He could then likewise do the $45k to me, or if that’s too close, we could form a large enough ring of people, each of which does the $45k of damage onwards so that we get a free amount of money at no personal risk.