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The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel

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Re: The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel

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typical champagne socialist post. just look at Oakland and see if lax on crime policies work.

Penalty length has very little effect on crime motivation. The most important factor is the likelihood of getting caught. You want to see crime rates drop? Shift a large percentage of the prison budget to the police.

Aren't some prisons for-profit?

Re: The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel

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post #10

Like all high morality, more advanced rehabilitation methods and/or more pleasant segregation of criminals from law abiding members of society, is a privilege of wealth. The richer we collectively are, the more resources we can devote to managing counterproductive individuals more humanely. The poorer we are, the more likely we have to resort to more barbaric methods of order maintenance, like execution. Therefore, i…

or higher taxes on the rich?

The combined total net worth of all US billionaires would pay for about 8 months of US federal spending...once.

Also, wealth isn't just in the form of money.

A culture that produces few criminals is a form of wealth that can't be captured by taxes.

Re: The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel

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> Mr. Cassidy could face $250,000 worth of penalty (excluding fines) for $1,500 worth of crime.

To state that the reason the maximum is 5 years is because the item was religious in nature, then ignore that fact when calculating the cost of the offense tells me this person is starting from a conclusion and working backwards. By this methodology, conspiracy to commit murder should get no jail time since the "cost" is $0.

I'm not saying 5 years would be fair in this instance, just that obviously this is about more than the raw monetary cost...

Re: The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel

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Over-reliance on prison seems to have worked astonishingly well for El Salvador. If your metric is murder rates then it's probably a world record in terms of change in murder rate from the highest in the world (106 per 100k in 2015) to one of the lowest (2.4 per 100k in 2023).

Those statistics are disturbing precisely because it’s been just so profoundly effective. I was blown away. The whole country has reversed course in just 3 years.

Re: The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel

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Like all high morality, more advanced rehabilitation methods and/or more pleasant segregation of criminals from law abiding members of society, is a privilege of wealth. The richer we collectively are, the more resources we can devote to managing counterproductive individuals more humanely. The poorer we are, the more likely we have to resort to more barbaric methods of order maintenance, like execution. Therefore, i…

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Like all high morality, more advanced rehabilitation methods and/or more pleasant segregation of criminals from law abiding members of society, is a privilege of wealth. The richer we collectively are, the more resources we can devote to managing counterproductive individuals more humanely. The poorer we are, the more likely we have to resort to more barbaric methods of order maintenance, like execution. Therefore, i…

Yes, clearly, the US prison system is the way it is is because of lack of wealth /s

The US prison system is the way it is because we have a lot of culture poverty, despite a lot of resource wealth.

Re: The US over-reliance on incarceration is lazy and cruel

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Interesting. A homeless man’s tent is maybe $100 to replace. Every person here then has a free 450 homeless tents they can destroy until society stops replacing them.

Alternatively, a market opportunity. I ensure that $45k/y of damage is done to my friend’s property. The state, eschewing incarceration, merely makes my friend whole. A new Tesla every year for him at no cost to either of us locally. He could then likewise do the $45k to me, or if that’s too close, we could form a large enough ring of people, each of which does the $45k of damage onwards so that we get a free amount of money at no personal risk.

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