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European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

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Re: European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

#11
Reminder that the European Court of Human Rights, although very powerful and influential, does not have the authority to force anyone to abide by their rulings.

Also, here's a better article: https://fortune.com/2024/02/13/end-to-end-encryption-russia-...

Re: European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

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post #3

Is there an exception for emergency purposes?

When there is an emergency to break into a house, the police needs to get a mandate from a judge.

That's not true at least in Spain. There's "In flagrante delicto" which means if the police suspects something going on they can kick your door down.

It was used many times during the pandemic: when they suspected you were having too many people over at home, they acted. Unconstitutionally, mind you.

The EU is not the utopia many think it is.

Re: European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

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post #5

Is there an exception for emergency purposes?

If it's done right, it can't be subverted in case of "emergency" can it? If it's full of bugs, it simply doesn't matter.

The "e2e" concept that most are familiar with is basically fake: the provider is responsible for the client that does the encryption and decryption. Of course they can break it if forced. Software exploits are a separate matter and also easier to deal with when the end user isn't truly in control of the encryption (or easier if they don't know what they are doing.)

Re: European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

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post #13
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's done right, it can't be subverted in case of "emergency" can it? If it's full of bugs, it simply doesn't matter.

The "e2e" concept that most are familiar with is basically fake: the provider is responsible for the client that does the encryption and decryption. Of course they can break it if forced. Software exploits are a separate matter and also easier to deal with when the end user isn't truly in control of the encryption (or easier if they don't know what they are doing.)

If the client is properly developed and secured, they cannot break it without shipping an update to that client to change its behavior - which then affects everyone.

Re: European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

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This article doesn’t actually contain any information that backs up the title, or if the title is true at all.

There’s a quote from some party member who doesn’t seem directly involved, and almost no information about the actual case / ruling.

Re: European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

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post #10

I am a bit confused. The article seems fairly political, quoting some promotional text by the pirate party and not describing what case was brought in front of a judge and what the ruling bans specifically, so I clicked through to the actual court case linked at the bottom. It has nothing to do with the pirate party or chatcontrol or any such thing. The court case was one person against the Russian government for fin…

Its a judgement that will provide precedence. A Pirate Party member of the European Parliament comments because its a core issue to the party. Why would there be anything about the Pirate Party in the ruling?

Re: European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

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The article is semi-garbage (politics aside it is a badly written/biased article). Better read the decision. https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng/#{%22itemid%22:[%22001-230854... } CASE OF PODCHASOV v. RUSSIA (Application no. 33696/19)

In defence of the article - it linked the decision. That means it is automatically in something close to the top 20% of articles about political topics.

And the actual decision is quite readable; on a quick skim it seemed to agree with what the article said.

Re: European Court of Human Rights bans weakening of secure end-to-end encryption

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The article is semi-garbage (politics aside it is a badly written/biased article). Better read the decision. https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng/#{%22itemid%22:[%22001-230854... } CASE OF PODCHASOV v. RUSSIA (Application no. 33696/19)

HN markup seems to be breaking the link, here's an alternative one: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng/?i=001-230854
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