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Never understood the point of "a desktop" because of this. Why bother to have programs you only use on-demand just sitting there? The same thing, that I find more useful, can be achieved by actually running the programs you need (through a run menu) and just having them exist. Windows are my desktop icons, I don't need what I don't use. (I use fluxbox with rofi)
On Windows, there is "Move" menu item in shift+right click context menu on taskbar icons. Selecting this item, then pressing left/right/up/down key brings window immediately into closer edge of valid desktop area, with mouse pointer sent to that window titlebar. This item existed since at least OS/2, and although it was not found in early version of Windows 11 new taskbar, it has since been re-implemented. I know bec…
However, this doesn't seem to work with the newer Electron style apps, like Teams. They do not appear to follow the classic Windows patterns.
On Windows, there is "Move" menu item in shift+right click context menu on taskbar icons. Selecting this item, then pressing left/right/up/down key brings window immediately into closer edge of valid desktop area, with mouse pointer sent to that window titlebar. This item existed since at least OS/2, and although it was not found in early version of Windows 11 new taskbar, it has since been re-implemented. I know bec…
I believe that is only available for native Windows apps. Alt-Space was the keyboatd shortcut for it, very useful if the window had moved so far offscreen that you could not reach it with the mouse. However, this doesn't seem to work with the newer Electron style apps, like Teams. They do not appear to follow the classic Windows patterns.
I like this quirkiness of X window managers also. Some (like fvwm) will do exactly what you tell it to do, no more, no less. Sad to see these type quirks will go away when Linux moves completely to Wayland.
> Sad to see these type quirks will go away when Linux moves completely to Wayland. I started using Linux when I was 25 or so. I'm 51 now. I do believe there's a far from zero probability that X is going to outlast me... Even if I live until 80! P.S: and the day X dies, in decades, I do also think it's possible that, at long last, Wayland shall be as customizable and allows to do all the amazing thing X allows to do.
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> Sad to see these type quirks will go away when Linux moves completely to Wayland. I started using Linux when I was 25 or so. I'm 51 now. I do believe there's a far from zero probability that X is going to outlast me... Even if I live until 80! P.S: and the day X dies, in decades, I do also think it's possible that, at long last, Wayland shall be as customizable and allows to do all the amazing thing X allows to do.
Unfortunately, I don't share your optimism. Judging by the fiasco that systemd is and how it managed to completely win over init scripts, even the opensource world is not immune to fashion / politics / ...
Even if you were building a system for which init stages would be immutable, forever sealed and unchanging, determining the correct ordering means understanding every daemon and all their associated quirks and their dependencies and the quirks associated with their dependencies and so on...
I will never get the hours spent being a human SAT solver trying to safely order hundreds of lexicographically ordered start and stop scripts that may or may not be present in an unbelievable number of permutations.
The reason sysvinit is extinct is neither fashion or politics, but evolution.
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> Sad to see these type quirks will go away when Linux moves completely to Wayland. I started using Linux when I was 25 or so. I'm 51 now. I do believe there's a far from zero probability that X is going to outlast me... Even if I live until 80! P.S: and the day X dies, in decades, I do also think it's possible that, at long last, Wayland shall be as customizable and allows to do all the amazing thing X allows to do.
Unfortunately, I don't share your optimism. Judging by the fiasco that systemd is and how it managed to completely win over init scripts, even the opensource world is not immune to fashion / politics / ...
I suspect X servers will die out at some point, but you could probably just run XWayland right? I've not messed with Wayland yet, because it doesn't address my use cases (mythtv frontends which is one X program with no window manager, and running programs on freebsd/linux for display on Windows).
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I believe that is only available for native Windows apps. Alt-Space was the keyboatd shortcut for it, very useful if the window had moved so far offscreen that you could not reach it with the mouse. However, this doesn't seem to work with the newer Electron style apps, like Teams. They do not appear to follow the classic Windows patterns.
Yeah, there's some delineation in those apps. I notice the same behavior when I hover over the "maximize window" icon in Windows 11 and some apps show an outline of the options of I have but electron apps including chrome
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Unfortunately, I don't share your optimism. Judging by the fiasco that systemd is and how it managed to completely win over init scripts, even the opensource world is not immune to fashion / politics / ...
I miss writing sysvinit scripts exactly never . Even if you were building a system for which init stages would be immutable, forever sealed and unchanging, determining the correct ordering means understanding every daemon and all their associated quirks and their dependencies and the quirks associated with their dependencies and so on... I will never get the hours spent being a human SAT solver trying to safely order…
I like this quirkiness of X window managers also. Some (like fvwm) will do exactly what you tell it to do, no more, no less. Sad to see these type quirks will go away when Linux moves completely to Wayland.
> Sad to see these type quirks will go away when Linux moves completely to Wayland. I started using Linux when I was 25 or so. I'm 51 now. I do believe there's a far from zero probability that X is going to outlast me... Even if I live until 80! P.S: and the day X dies, in decades, I do also think it's possible that, at long last, Wayland shall be as customizable and allows to do all the amazing thing X allows to do.
Because with wayland you don't write "just" a window manager - you write also the gorilla and most of the jungle, because a "WM" also has to be full Window Server with handling of input, rendering, display configuration, possibly linking extra virtual displays (still haven't figured exactly what part of the protocol handles it, but apparently pipewire can create virtual display that can be used for example by OBS)