Isn't auto theft already illegal?
Yeah but catching organized criminals takes a lot of work. It's much easier to harass hobby hackers buying flipper zeros.
Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
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Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#12Ban crime!
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#13So if they ban the Flipper Zero are they going to ban the multitude of SDRs as well?
They don’t need to. Banning the easy method will stop the majority of cases. Most people won’t bother with a slightly less easy method requiring the most basic of technical skills or more research than the first Google result. Similar to how moving ssh to a non-standard port stops most attacks.
Canadian car theft is organized criminals with connections across the supply chain shipping vehicles to Africa and the middle east. It's not kids joyriding. They will have no issue sourcing other methods of theft.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#14Hah. I knew this would happen. The Flipper is basically marketed as a hacking tool.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#15A guy tracked his stolen truck to CP railyard. Police was sitting outside the railcar that had his truck inside. Police could do nothing because the railyard is outside their jurisdiction. Train left, he watched on the tracker as his truck was eventually shipped to Dubai. So.. I think CP rail is maybe a co-conspirator here? They have immunity from local law enforcement, and don't seem to require any title checks to m…
There’s only three federal police agencies - the RCMP, CPKC Police Service, and the CN Police Service. The local law enforcement has to pass off the information to the relevant agency to abide by the separations of power.
The problem here is probably the criminal lied about what was in the cargo container, and to process the tens of thousands of titles to ship new vehicles to manufacturers is obscene - and even then, criminals will still find ways to transport cars in shipping containers.
At the end of the day, it’s up to the ports (which again are a federal agency) to scrutinize cargo containers destined for these locations - which they don’t have the staffing or funds to do.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#16A guy tracked his stolen truck to CP railyard. Police was sitting outside the railcar that had his truck inside. Police could do nothing because the railyard is outside their jurisdiction. Train left, he watched on the tracker as his truck was eventually shipped to Dubai. So.. I think CP rail is maybe a co-conspirator here? They have immunity from local law enforcement, and don't seem to require any title checks to m…
There’s only three federal police agencies - the RCMP, CPKC Police Service, and the CN Police Service. The local law enforcement has to pass off the information to the relevant agency to abide by the separations of power. The problem here is probably the criminal lied about what was in the cargo container, and to process the tens of thousands of titles to ship new vehicles to manufacturers is obscene - and even then,…
> At the end of the day, it’s up to the ports (which again are a federal agency) to scrutinize cargo containers destined for these locations - which they don’t have the staffing or funds to do.
And now they'll be stretched further inspecting incoming shipments for flipper zeros.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#17so instead of banning insecure cars, we ban the tools to break into them.
::slow clap:: The brilliance of the Canadian government on display here.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#18Banning a Flipper Zero for Car Thefts is like banning a BB Gun for Firearm Deaths.... You're targeting the wrong device lol.
edit: Further perspective: You need something that can perform a relay attack. You need someone with a powerful enough antenna to find the remote inside someone's home and relay it to a person near the car. This involves at least 2x CC1101's
> As you can see, small embedded antennas are very inefficient, however convenient. In all cases here, the antenna radiated less than 1% of the available RF power. Using a full sized high efficiency antenna has the potential to increase TRP by at least 20 dB, which is 100 times more power or about a 10x increase in communications range.
https://antennatestlab.com/antenna-education-tutorials/consu...
This is the type of device still available, far more useful and powerful than a banned FZ: https://www.analog.com/en/resources/evaluation-hardware-and-...
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#19So if they ban the Flipper Zero are they going to ban the multitude of SDRs as well?
FTA: "ISED will pursue all avenues to ban devices used to steal vehicles by copying the wireless signals for remote keyless entry, such as the Flipper Zero"
Text uses the flipper zero as an example, not as the specific target of the ban.
Re: Canadian government banning Flipper Zero to combat auto theft
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don’t need to. Banning the easy method will stop the majority of cases. Most people won’t bother with a slightly less easy method requiring the most basic of technical skills or more research than the first Google result. Similar to how moving ssh to a non-standard port stops most attacks.
Canadian car theft is organized criminals with connections across the supply chain shipping vehicles to Africa and the middle east. It's not kids joyriding. They will have no issue sourcing other methods of theft.
Yeah, that’s the thing that seems really silly about this to me - if your organization is competent enough to smuggle literally hundreds of cars out of the country, I’m sure you can smuggle a handful of small electronic devices in.