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Re: EU proposes criminalizing AI-generated child sexual abuse and deepfakes

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Post by c1sc0 » Wed, Feb 07, 2024, 7:37 AM UTC

yarg wrote: post #8

ggm wrote: post #2

Although I think this is fraught and probably will create an entire industry of suit and countersuit I am unsure any jurisdiction has much choice here. I'm really uncomfortable with both thought crime and implied free speech issues in this and the mechanistic aspects of how an llm and gpt system works makes me wonder who else but the hosting company can be legally at risk here. I think it would be a mistake to say th…

I don't think there's an immediate victim with this, but I wonder at whether or not easy access to this sort of content would increase the risk of real world offending.

Or decrease? Does access to “regular” porn increase or decrease real world abuse? I’d say giving a harmless outlet for desires is probably a net positive.

Re: EU proposes criminalizing AI-generated child sexual abuse and deepfakes

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Post by d1sxeyes » Wed, Feb 07, 2024, 7:43 AM UTC

yarg wrote: post #8

ggm wrote: post #2

Although I think this is fraught and probably will create an entire industry of suit and countersuit I am unsure any jurisdiction has much choice here. I'm really uncomfortable with both thought crime and implied free speech issues in this and the mechanistic aspects of how an llm and gpt system works makes me wonder who else but the hosting company can be legally at risk here. I think it would be a mistake to say th…

I don't think there's an immediate victim with this, but I wonder at whether or not easy access to this sort of content would increase the risk of real world offending.

I think that’s a good question. I see it as also possible it would reduce real-world offending.

Today, seeking out images like that puts you on the definite wrong side of a line. A child was harmed to produce that image. You’ll face significant legal and societal consequences if you get caught with it in your possession. Given that you’ve already crossed the line, maybe the next line is not as hard to cross.

Whereas if images like these are decriminalised, folks who look at them don’t have to directly correlate their actions with any specific harm to any specific child, and so that line remains uncrossed.

I think there may be complications around, for example, using inpainting on an image of a specific child, but overall, my approach is more one of harm reduction. Whichever approach leads to fewer real world children being abused is the one to take, and moral outrage should take a back seat to pragmatism if it turns out that decriminalising these images reduces real world offending.

Not sure there’s a good way to test and find out which of us is right though.

Re: EU proposes criminalizing AI-generated child sexual abuse and deepfakes

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Post by hananova » Wed, Feb 07, 2024, 7:58 AM UTC

dimask wrote: post #10

yarg wrote: post #7

It's hard enough stopping child pornography when there are real children used to make it... But when the difference between the difference between the digital representation of a child and that of an adult just becomes a variable in a parameter space? It'll be impossible to stop. Child pornography is a byproduct of human trafficking, and that's where the focus needs to be.

> It's hard enough stopping child pornography when there are real children used to make it... But real children _were_ harmed in order to train the AI.

Not necessarily. You can train with legal adult content combined with innocent pictures of children. The combination of the two is enough to generate virtual CP.

Re: EU proposes criminalizing AI-generated child sexual abuse and deepfakes

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Post by yarg » Wed, Feb 07, 2024, 8:39 AM UTC

d1sxeyes wrote: post #12

yarg wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think there's an immediate victim with this, but I wonder at whether or not easy access to this sort of content would increase the risk of real world offending.

I think that’s a good question. I see it as also possible it would reduce real-world offending. Today, seeking out images like that puts you on the definite wrong side of a line. A child was harmed to produce that image. You’ll face significant legal and societal consequences if you get caught with it in your possession. Given that you’ve already crossed the line, maybe the next line is not as hard to cross. Whereas…

Either seems possible to me, and I think it probably depends on the nature of the pornography, and the levels of agency allowed for the consumer (see also, methadone programs).

I worry that left to their own devices, some may slip deeper into the psychosexual sadism side of things.