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"Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto real estate bubble: HSBC bank leaks

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Re: "Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto real estate bubble: HSBC bank leaks

#11
Not only Canada.

In Australia this became pervasive across all banks for the last 25 years. It got to the point where, around 5-10 years ago, new national rules were mandated that foreign income could only be assessed at some minor percentage of its evidenced volume under the epithet "loan serviceability criteria". At the face of it, these rules appear to have the public's best interests at heart. But in reality, they simply lock out anyone that isn't a locally registered card-carrying commuter wageslave (eg. cross-border entrepreneurs, immigrants, etc.).

So the new scam - from multiple independent sources - is apparently people from Singapore taking out loans in Chinese Yuan Reminbi denominations for Australian property against Singapore or Hong Kong banks, then coming to the Australian banks and having them "transferred" (internationally, and across currencies!) which allegedly sidesteps the local restrictions. The fact that I know this simply from talking to bank staff as a stranger shows how extremely pervasive these sorts of things are.

Re: "Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto real estate bubble: HSBC bank leaks

#12
> “Bank statements can be verified directly with the foreign banks or use a reputable third party to verify,” he suggested.

Is that even possible with Chinese bank accounts?

Anyway, the presence of Chinese Funny Money in property has been known about for years, not just in Canada either.

Re: "Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto real estate bubble: HSBC bank leaks

#14
post #6

> But more than a year later, D.M. was so dissatisfied with the bank’s response that I only recognize the HSBC name from scandals in the news: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSBC#Controversies

Look at any wiki article on any major global bank, the chapter about 'controversies and legal issues' is always a thick list, HSBC ain't worse or better than others.

There are no good guys there, that's not why the business was set up and corresponding folks were/are hired. If you want more controls, enforce more regulations, they do work if well defined.

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#15
post #3

It's quite bizarre any jurisdiction would allow someone to buy housing there when they can't legally live in it.

Why? Should we restrict other investments with similar logic? For example should non-residents not be allowed to purchase vacation properties and lease them? The impulse to enlist the government to regulate private property and investments is not productive and results in endless encroachment of individual liberties and rights to governments.

Something drastic has to be done about the cost of housing if we're to leave a functional society to the next generation.

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#16

> making him a minority among mostly Chinese-Canadian co-workers at the Aurora branch. Not trying to point fingers on whether the branch workers were in on the whole thing, but maybe it was easier to perpetuate the fraud because of cultural familiarity?

Your fingers aren't required, only the whistleblower's:

"and possibly some employees benefited from the fraud, financially pocketing thousands of dollars, which I call the proceeds of crime."

Re: "Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto real estate bubble: HSBC bank leaks

#17
post #3

It's quite bizarre any jurisdiction would allow someone to buy housing there when they can't legally live in it.

Why? Should we restrict other investments with similar logic? For example should non-residents not be allowed to purchase vacation properties and lease them? The impulse to enlist the government to regulate private property and investments is not productive and results in endless encroachment of individual liberties and rights to governments.

There's a little too much "housing is way too incredibly expensive for the citizens of the country" going on here for us to really care about "fairness of the open market"

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#18
post #6

> But more than a year later, D.M. was so dissatisfied with the bank’s response that I only recognize the HSBC name from scandals in the news: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSBC#Controversies

Look at any wiki article on any major global bank, the chapter about 'controversies and legal issues' is always a thick list, HSBC ain't worse or better than others. There are no good guys there, that's not why the business was set up and corresponding folks were/are hired. If you want more controls, enforce more regulations, they do work if well defined.

> HSBC ain't worse or better than others

Money laundering does seem to be their choice in poisons.

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#19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? Should we restrict other investments with similar logic? For example should non-residents not be allowed to purchase vacation properties and lease them? The impulse to enlist the government to regulate private property and investments is not productive and results in endless encroachment of individual liberties and rights to governments.

Something drastic has to be done about the cost of housing if we're to leave a functional society to the next generation.

Or if we don't want to watch it collapse during ours.

Re: "Fake Chinese income" mortgages fuel Toronto real estate bubble: HSBC bank leaks

#20
post #3

It's quite bizarre any jurisdiction would allow someone to buy housing there when they can't legally live in it.

Why? Should we restrict other investments with similar logic? For example should non-residents not be allowed to purchase vacation properties and lease them? The impulse to enlist the government to regulate private property and investments is not productive and results in endless encroachment of individual liberties and rights to governments.

>For example should non-residents not be allowed to purchase vacation properties and lease them?

AirB&B has been a terrible experience, so many people buying up houses just to lease them out for a weekend has definitely contributed to rising housing costs and over-all cost of living

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