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Re: Weaveworks is shutting down

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Post by api »

dilyevsky wrote: post #6
ushakov wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s no money in DevTools. Businesses will see you as cost, not asset

It seems like you need to be doing at least part services play - product alone doesn’t cut it

A perennial topic at lots of IT/devops standups these days is how to get rid of SaaS overhead, so this isn't a sure thing either.

Bottom line is that developers and IT pros are cheap. I know because I am one. We always try to find a way to not pay for things and especially to avoid any kind of lock-in. I'm allergic to anything proprietary or anything with a SaaS, which is ironic because that's one of our company's products... makes me think perpetually about how to fix this broken market by offering a way to pay for good tools and products without either proprietary lock-in or eternal rent (and centralization and all that entails). It's a very hard problem, and it's not really a technology problem. More of a biz/legal/economic problem.

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Post by RigelKentaurus »

mihaitodor wrote: post #9

Sometime last year, they had someone cold call me from the US to sell me stuff. I’m not sure where they got my number from, but I don’t think that’s a good strategy for trying to sell B2B solutions.

Agreed that it's not a good strategy, but unfortunately all too common amongst tech companies, especially startups.

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Post by mad_vill »

I feel like the next generation of this type of company is smaller consultancies that have awesome developers that build customer tooling on the side. But the main revenue driver is consultancy.

Also it really feels like all the air has been let out of the docker/kubernetes/cloud-native balloon that was so popular in the late 2010s.

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Post by gedy »

mihaitodor wrote: post #9

Sometime last year, they had someone cold call me from the US to sell me stuff. I’m not sure where they got my number from, but I don’t think that’s a good strategy for trying to sell B2B solutions.

"LambdaTest" does that crap and will call even on weekends. I'm like gtfo of here man. Testing tools is like the last thing I want to talk about on weekend or on personal phone.

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

Welp. Time to switch CNI on that k8s cluster...

This is why whenever there is a choice between a grassroots open source project, and a corporate source project, I choose grassroots. When the corporation gets bored of the project (or just dies), the project dies too. Grassroots doesn't die as long as one person is still willing to merge PRs and make releases, and grassroots is much more likely to be forked and maintained in perpetuity. Community makes or breaks open source.

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Post by throwitaway222 »

They were exciting when they first started, (8 years ago?) before k8s - they had some interesting networking capabilities including the ability to use zeroconf. A lot of Java clustering stuff builds off that which made them special in the age of Docker.

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Post by javierluraschi »

mihaitodor wrote: post #9

Sometime last year, they had someone cold call me from the US to sell me stuff. I’m not sure where they got my number from, but I don’t think that’s a good strategy for trying to sell B2B solutions.

What's your ideal B2B sales strategy that would work for you?

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

mad_vill wrote: post #13

I feel like the next generation of this type of company is smaller consultancies that have awesome developers that build customer tooling on the side. But the main revenue driver is consultancy. Also it really feels like all the air has been let out of the docker/kubernetes/cloud-native balloon that was so popular in the late 2010s.

"Air has been let out" in the sense that it's moved past the trough of disillusionment and is on its way to the plateau of productivity[1].

There are still a few people in the trough of disillusionment yelling about how a $5/month VPS is all you'll ever need, or a $50/month bare metal colocated server is all you'll ever need. But for the most part the people who benefit from cloud services & containerization will use it when they need to, avoid it when they don't. It'll continue to be a productive tool when used properly, with vendors supporting mature products using it that solve people's problems.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle

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