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Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

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Post by javawizard »

infamouscow wrote: post #7

These people took glee in demonizing and dehumanizing half of the country under the guise they're on the wrong side of history. Except what actually happened is the pendulum has swung in the other direction completely repudiating credibility of these organizations, and the people that were dehumanized are understandably very mad. These alleged journalists are supposed to report on the the world and events around them…

Having not heard about the Messenger before today, I'm not sure what ideological position you're talking about. Can you elaborate?

Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

#12

Post by ethanbond »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #9
achandlerwhite wrote: post #4

Examples in there of employee healthcare woes... sure with we just had universal healthcare.

>sure with we just had universal healthcare. I dropped out of medical school over a decade ago, so my opinion is absolutely jaded. Talking with graduate physicians, the general concensus is "universal healthcare will never happen in the US." So my suggestion to unencumbered youngins is to study/travel abroad, and begin your expatriation quest... OR: become an attorney (joke: "in the US, for a cancer diagnosis, the be…

Talking with so and so, the general consensus is that women will never get credit, black folks will never vote, etc etc

Better to just give up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

#13

Post by jauntywundrkind »

javawizard wrote: post #11
infamouscow wrote: post #7

These people took glee in demonizing and dehumanizing half of the country under the guise they're on the wrong side of history. Except what actually happened is the pendulum has swung in the other direction completely repudiating credibility of these organizations, and the people that were dehumanized are understandably very mad. These alleged journalists are supposed to report on the the world and events around them…

Having not heard about the Messenger before today, I'm not sure what ideological position you're talking about. Can you elaborate?

It's a-little-ambiguously-coded pro-MAGA how dare people hate the right, the right will have its revenge bit. It doesn't really talk to The Messenger.

Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

#14

Post by ProllyInfamous »

ethanbond wrote: post #12
ProllyInfamous wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>sure with we just had universal healthcare. I dropped out of medical school over a decade ago, so my opinion is absolutely jaded. Talking with graduate physicians, the general concensus is "universal healthcare will never happen in the US." So my suggestion to unencumbered youngins is to study/travel abroad, and begin your expatriation quest... OR: become an attorney (joke: "in the US, for a cancer diagnosis, the be…

Talking with so and so, the general consensus is that women will never get credit, black folks will never vote, etc etc Better to just give up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>Better to just give up ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes, but if you're looking for "easier lifepath for average joe" then, like Southern Blacks of early 20th Century... you'd have an easier life if you just moved north.

You're not wrong, but not everybody has "the fight" within. I know I don't.

Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

#15

Post by orionsbelt »

_uhtu wrote: post #6

Kissinger's death was where I really started detaching myself from news media entirely. It was extremely hard to find an article or video that didn't say the exact same thing in almost identical wording: "was kissinger a war criminal? well he was certainly controversial but his influence stood large". No, objectively, he was a war criminal. Bombing Cambodia and several other actions were, factually, legally, war crim…

I think it’s hard for an obituary to definitely call someone a war criminal when he was never tried, much less convicted, of a war crime. That’s not to say he shouldn’t have been or his actions don’t qualify, but an obituary is supposed to be somewhat neutral and not an opinion piece, and the facts are that he’s been labeled (perhaps fairly) a war criminal by many, but never actually convicted.

Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

#17

Post by kjkjadksj »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #9
achandlerwhite wrote: post #4

Examples in there of employee healthcare woes... sure with we just had universal healthcare.

>sure with we just had universal healthcare. I dropped out of medical school over a decade ago, so my opinion is absolutely jaded. Talking with graduate physicians, the general concensus is "universal healthcare will never happen in the US." So my suggestion to unencumbered youngins is to study/travel abroad, and begin your expatriation quest... OR: become an attorney (joke: "in the US, for a cancer diagnosis, the be…

Its more likely to happen in Caifornia than anywhere else imo. Medi cal would just need to be expanded and thats it. The framework already exists and about 30% of the state is already on it.

Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

#18

Post by AlexandrB »

_uhtu wrote: post #6

Kissinger's death was where I really started detaching myself from news media entirely. It was extremely hard to find an article or video that didn't say the exact same thing in almost identical wording: "was kissinger a war criminal? well he was certainly controversial but his influence stood large". No, objectively, he was a war criminal. Bombing Cambodia and several other actions were, factually, legally, war crim…

Were you following the news during the "War on Terror"/"War in Iraq" era? Because the Kissinger coverage, while infuriating, pales in comparison to the horse shit the media was uncritically publishing in the early 2000s. The story that sticks out in my mind the most is the Tora Bora mountain fortress/lair[1], but there are plenty of others. Many of those responsible for this crap failed upwards[2].

[1] https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/tora-bora-tunnel-kin...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Frum

Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

#19

Post by CalRobert »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #9
achandlerwhite wrote: post #4

Examples in there of employee healthcare woes... sure with we just had universal healthcare.

>sure with we just had universal healthcare. I dropped out of medical school over a decade ago, so my opinion is absolutely jaded. Talking with graduate physicians, the general concensus is "universal healthcare will never happen in the US." So my suggestion to unencumbered youngins is to study/travel abroad, and begin your expatriation quest... OR: become an attorney (joke: "in the US, for a cancer diagnosis, the be…

Even if it weren't universal, having it not be tied to your employer would be a start.

Re: Messenger Implosion Shows Journalism Lead by Visionless, Fail-Upward Brunchlords

#20

Post by taeric »

uptown wrote: post #16

I'm fairly tuned into news -- certainly less-so than in the past, but somehow I never even heard of The Messenger.

Same. Feels a lot like insider gossip that thought they had more going for themselves?

That said, "It’s a radical idea, but we could make meaningful progress if we clawed journalism from the hands of affluent, out of touch brunchlords, and put it back under the control of diverse, hungry journalists and editors who actually understand the news industry and media environment they work and exist in." is also a rather boring take? What do they want to make "meaningful progress" on? I certainly can't see "journalism for journalism's sake" as a good thing. Seems more likely you will get gatekeeping and another venue for activism?

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