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Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

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Post by deadbolt »

dang wrote: post #10
Gow8876 wrote: post #4

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Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar, regardless of which country you have a problem with. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

With all due respect, I don't believe they were trying to turn this into a nationalist flamewar.

I agree with them, and as an American we should be free to criticize our country. I'm ashamed as an American that these stories occur. "Don't drop the soap" didn't become a phrase on it's own.

Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

#12

Post by romwell »

neilv wrote: post #8

Unless EssilorLuxottica or Macy's developed all the "AI", "facial recognition", "biometric information", etc. tech in-house, are there missing company names here? There's also this, which I'm not sure how to interpret: > “So, when EssilorLuxottica and Macy’s compared unclear security footage to (the man’s) mugshots from the 1980s, these companies knew that there was an error rate of almost 90%. Yet these companies to…

Yup, I'd love to know the name of that wonderful software and the company that made it.

Also I'd love to know the names of the judge, prosecutor, and investigator who put a man in jail simply because a man from the store told them to.

Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

#13

Post by deadbolt »

romwell wrote: post #12
neilv wrote: post #8

Unless EssilorLuxottica or Macy's developed all the "AI", "facial recognition", "biometric information", etc. tech in-house, are there missing company names here? There's also this, which I'm not sure how to interpret: > “So, when EssilorLuxottica and Macy’s compared unclear security footage to (the man’s) mugshots from the 1980s, these companies knew that there was an error rate of almost 90%. Yet these companies to…

Yup, I'd love to know the name of that wonderful software and the company that made it. Also I'd love to know the names of the judge, prosecutor, and investigator who put a man in jail simply because a man from the store told them to.

Can we learn that with an FOIA request?

Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

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Post by neilv »

romwell wrote: post #12
neilv wrote: post #8

Unless EssilorLuxottica or Macy's developed all the "AI", "facial recognition", "biometric information", etc. tech in-house, are there missing company names here? There's also this, which I'm not sure how to interpret: > “So, when EssilorLuxottica and Macy’s compared unclear security footage to (the man’s) mugshots from the 1980s, these companies knew that there was an error rate of almost 90%. Yet these companies to…

Yup, I'd love to know the name of that wonderful software and the company that made it. Also I'd love to know the names of the judge, prosecutor, and investigator who put a man in jail simply because a man from the store told them to.

Journalists might look into exactly what happened on that side of things, but this particular article doesn't seem to have done that, and some assertion in there might be incorrect or misleading.

Best not to feed Internet pitchfork villagers, who have shown countless times that they're collectively dumb as snot, with no sense of process, critical thinking, nor decency.

I'd think the identities of public servants isn't really relevant at this point, but rather, what was the evidence and chronology.

As techies, we're best suited to tackle some of the evidence around tech, like what was the tech, how does it work, how was it represented, how was it used, what did it do, etc.

Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

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Post by deadbolt »

neilv wrote: post #14
romwell wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, I'd love to know the name of that wonderful software and the company that made it. Also I'd love to know the names of the judge, prosecutor, and investigator who put a man in jail simply because a man from the store told them to.

Journalists might look into exactly what happened on that side of things, but this particular article doesn't seem to have done that, and some assertion in there might be incorrect or misleading. Best not to feed Internet pitchfork villagers, who have shown countless times that they're collectively dumb as snot, with no sense of process, critical thinking, nor decency. I'd think the identities of public servants isn'…

> As techies, we're best suited to tackle some of the evidence around tech, like what was the tech, how does it work, how was it represented, how was it used, what did it do, etc.

Go ahead then...

Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

#17

Post by dang »

deadbolt wrote: post #11
dang wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't take HN threads into nationalistic flamewar, regardless of which country you have a problem with. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

With all due respect, I don't believe they were trying to turn this into a nationalist flamewar. I agree with them, and as an American we should be free to criticize our country. I'm ashamed as an American that these stories occur. "Don't drop the soap" didn't become a phrase on it's own.

You may be right, but we can't moderate by intent—we have to moderate by effects. See https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... for past explanations.

This is an important issue, no question. But on HN, if people want to post about important issues we need them to do so thoughtfully—not in the flamewar/internet style.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

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Post by bb88 »

romwell wrote: post #12
neilv wrote: post #8

Unless EssilorLuxottica or Macy's developed all the "AI", "facial recognition", "biometric information", etc. tech in-house, are there missing company names here? There's also this, which I'm not sure how to interpret: > “So, when EssilorLuxottica and Macy’s compared unclear security footage to (the man’s) mugshots from the 1980s, these companies knew that there was an error rate of almost 90%. Yet these companies to…

Yup, I'd love to know the name of that wonderful software and the company that made it. Also I'd love to know the names of the judge, prosecutor, and investigator who put a man in jail simply because a man from the store told them to.

There's not really any need.

The judge did it because the prosecution said he did.

The prosecution brought charges because the police said it was him.

The police arrested him because the corporation said it was him.

The corporation said it was him because the software said it was him.

The software said it was him because it was SHIT.

Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

#19

Post by neilv »

bb88 wrote: post #18
romwell wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, I'd love to know the name of that wonderful software and the company that made it. Also I'd love to know the names of the judge, prosecutor, and investigator who put a man in jail simply because a man from the store told them to.

There's not really any need. The judge did it because the prosecution said he did. The prosecution brought charges because the police said it was him. The police arrested him because the corporation said it was him. The corporation said it was him because the software said it was him. The software said it was him because it was SHIT.

How do you know all these things, about this specific case?

Re: Man raped in jail after AI technology wrongfully identifies him in robbery

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Post by benwad »

bb88 wrote: post #18
romwell wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup, I'd love to know the name of that wonderful software and the company that made it. Also I'd love to know the names of the judge, prosecutor, and investigator who put a man in jail simply because a man from the store told them to.

There's not really any need. The judge did it because the prosecution said he did. The prosecution brought charges because the police said it was him. The police arrested him because the corporation said it was him. The corporation said it was him because the software said it was him. The software said it was him because it was SHIT.

The whole point of those peoples' jobs is to do due diligence. If they're blindly trusting the next person/machine down the line then they're abdicating their responsibility.
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