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Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s assuming you can even contact the necessary team. Usually your only recourse with FB is clicking through a support wizard and filling out a textbox. Then you get a final, unappealable judgement from an admin as a notification.

I'm reading as why did Meta not pay its employees internally to resolve this matter instead of paying attorneys to litigate this case. The assumption being that an employee is already on the payroll so just give them an assignment instead of giving money to lawyers. I'm guessing their arrogance told them they'd never lose the case and it would be worth it to set precedence. Only it might have backfired

Ah, I think your reading is more correct. Thanks for clarifying :)

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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I don't get this. Why not pay an employee to take a few hours, ask a person from the necessary team to take a look, then call or write the complainant? That -has- to be cheaper than getting all these lawyers involved over what was probably, as the article states, a glitch of some sort.

Meta’s help support is a bot. Theres no human. You can’t reach a human. The only recourse you have is what this man did.

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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post #6
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s assuming you can even contact the necessary team. Usually your only recourse with FB is clicking through a support wizard and filling out a textbox. Then you get a final, unappealable judgement from an admin as a notification.

I'm reading as why did Meta not pay its employees internally to resolve this matter instead of paying attorneys to litigate this case. The assumption being that an employee is already on the payroll so just give them an assignment instead of giving money to lawyers. I'm guessing their arrogance told them they'd never lose the case and it would be worth it to set precedence. Only it might have backfired

Because Meta’s support system is entirely run by automation. By bots. There’s no human. No one knew, no one noticed, no one cared.

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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"In court, Soldati said Facebook attorneys were condescending and patronizing to him, but he took it seriously because it was his livelihood and because he thought that someone needed to fight them. He says it was “100%” worth it.

Gary Burt, a Manchester lawyer who represented Meta in the New Hampshire Supreme Court as well as the Dover District Court, did not immediately respond to a request to comment for this story."

So I looked him up and he looks like an affable chap. /s

https://www.primmer.com/attorney/gary-m.-burt

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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I don't get this. Why not pay an employee to take a few hours, ask a person from the necessary team to take a look, then call or write the complainant? That -has- to be cheaper than getting all these lawyers involved over what was probably, as the article states, a glitch of some sort.

Meta’s help support is a bot. Theres no human. You can’t reach a human. The only recourse you have is what this man did.

I initially read it the way you did, but OP means from Meta's side once they have received notice of legal action being initiated.

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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post #2

I don't get this. Why not pay an employee to take a few hours, ask a person from the necessary team to take a look, then call or write the complainant? That -has- to be cheaper than getting all these lawyers involved over what was probably, as the article states, a glitch of some sort.

I’ve worked for the same Fortune 500 company for 20+ years. 99% of the time I have zero idea what team does what and whom I would even talk to find out. With nearly 100,000 employees and I have no idea how many thousands of departments and teams, I don’t think anyone really has the big picture of what everyone is doing.

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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> Meta also argued it was immune to any cases brought against them under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (CDA), which is often used to obtain immunity from claims involving the publishing or deletion of material on its platforms. A crack in Section 230. Nice!

A crack in Section 230 would be disastrous. But this doesn't look like a crack at all, and IG never tried to claim that they had deliberately chosen to delete the account. That might even have pushed it under Section 230!

It was a pretty shitty defence. Facebook were trying to argue that Section 230 somehow gave them immunity from their own terms and conditions.

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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"In court, Soldati said Facebook attorneys were condescending and patronizing to him, but he took it seriously because it was his livelihood and because he thought that someone needed to fight them. He says it was “100%” worth it. Gary Burt, a Manchester lawyer who represented Meta in the New Hampshire Supreme Court as well as the Dover District Court, did not immediately respond to a request to comment for this stor…

Was fun to see a “VCard” link, haven’t even heard that word in like 15 years.

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reading as why did Meta not pay its employees internally to resolve this matter instead of paying attorneys to litigate this case. The assumption being that an employee is already on the payroll so just give them an assignment instead of giving money to lawyers. I'm guessing their arrogance told them they'd never lose the case and it would be worth it to set precedence. Only it might have backfired

Because Meta’s support system is entirely run by automation. By bots. There’s no human. No one knew, no one noticed, no one cared.

Once served with a lawsuit, most companies don't continue to rely on their publicly accessible support system.

Re: Teatotaller cafe owner wins Instagram case in court

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reading as why did Meta not pay its employees internally to resolve this matter instead of paying attorneys to litigate this case. The assumption being that an employee is already on the payroll so just give them an assignment instead of giving money to lawyers. I'm guessing their arrogance told them they'd never lose the case and it would be worth it to set precedence. Only it might have backfired

Because Meta’s support system is entirely run by automation. By bots. There’s no human. No one knew, no one noticed, no one cared.

such a cop out answer. someone wrote that bot. someone can investigate logs to see what the bot did. some PM is in charge of the people that wrote the bots. their bonuses are dependent on good reviews. anyone writing automation that doesn't leave a trail to follow wouldn't be worth much. no logging is an amateur move or the move of a guilty party. hopefully, the next case will have lawyers instead of some small shop owner fighting for their life. the lawyer might be able to convince a judge these logs need to be turned over.

all i'm seeing from the work this small business owner did with this case was to find where the loose string in the sweater is. we now just need the right people to start pulling on that string.

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