Should we be marking key infrastructure, utilities don't distribute this information for a reason.
Yes we should. Security through obscurity is a myth
Doh, thinking about it through that lens makes it obvious!
Open Infrastructure Map
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#13Why are there underwater power lines connecting Ireland and the UK, for example?
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#14Love this! Would be even better if there were labels / wiki links on the infrastructure. For instance, there's a huge pipeline across Asia, and I'd like to know what it's called,
Zoom in mate!
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#15This is just power lines tagged in Open Street Maps. [Edit: as comments noted power is just the default view, this is still just human curated OSM data] If you want telecom https://www.infrapedia.com/ is the go to source, but it requires a login. Carriers generally don't want their route maps publicly accessible unless you are committed to regularly updating them.
It's not just power lines, there is a layers options where you can also show oil/gas pipelines, telecom lines, and solar generation.
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#16Should we be marking key infrastructure, utilities don't distribute this information for a reason.
People used to get really upset about such datasets because terrorism/vandalism/etc. But eventually more sane opinions prevailed as attackers don't use this type of data - they either have insider knowledge already or just drive around to scope out targets. DHS now publishes a ton of open datasets to help with disaster planning, emergency response, and infrastructure hardening. https://hifld-geoplatform.opendata.arcg…
Used to?
A lot of that still happens, just instead of "terrorism", it's "crime". FOIA requests for locations of camera, alpr, and other massively used and unaudited surveillance equipment are routinely denied because it will "allow criminals to circumvent". It's all silly and benchmark moving.
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#17I see some missing HV lines I know about, is there an easy way to add them?
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#18Related:
Open Infrastructure Map - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33340983 - Oct 2022 (2 comments)
Open Infrastructure Map - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29948473 - Jan 2022 (45 comments)
Open Infrastructure Map - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20523882 - July 2019 (4 comments)
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
People used to get really upset about such datasets because terrorism/vandalism/etc. But eventually more sane opinions prevailed as attackers don't use this type of data - they either have insider knowledge already or just drive around to scope out targets. DHS now publishes a ton of open datasets to help with disaster planning, emergency response, and infrastructure hardening. https://hifld-geoplatform.opendata.arcg…
Used to? A lot of that still happens, just instead of "terrorism", it's "crime". FOIA requests for locations of camera, alpr, and other massively used and unaudited surveillance equipment are routinely denied because it will "allow criminals to circumvent". It's all silly and benchmark moving.
Yes, used to. 15 years ago trying to publish research on critical infrastructure vulnerabilities would get you a visit from the FBI (ask me how I know). Now you get invited to DC to present it in person and your remediation suggestions are taken seriously.