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Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Can't help but wonder, is AI an expected phase transition in the evolution of life in the universe? Is life really just the larval stage of a higher order intelligence?

I imagine anything backing that up lends some credibility to the true believers, likely why this poorly written paper has made it to hn.

A rule of thumb around here is I often measure my salt grain size by how self-important the article makes hners feel.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Can't help but wonder, is AI an expected phase transition in the evolution of life in the universe? Is life really just the larval stage of a higher order intelligence?

In the context of the universe, I wouldn't call it "intelligence" versus "artificial intelligence". I would call it "organic intelligence" vs "inorganic intelligence".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism

:)

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Can't help but wonder, is AI an expected phase transition in the evolution of life in the universe? Is life really just the larval stage of a higher order intelligence?

I imagine anything backing that up lends some credibility to the true believers, likely why this poorly written paper has made it to hn. A rule of thumb around here is I often measure my salt grain size by how self-important the article makes hners feel.

Well it's true, or not, regardless of how any of us feel about it. It's just fun to wonder.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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> We are, truly, Of Nature, not Above Nature. This sentiment has always made me question when people say things are "unnatural", "artificial", or "synthetic": If we ourselves are of nature, and these things are a byproduct of us, then aren't they naturally occurring? edit: added "synthetic" to reduce ambiguity.

That’s one of those revelations that only sounds profound when everyone involved is really stoned. Outside of that, everyone knows the meaning of “unnatural” and we all get that the colloquial meaning and a strict etymological analysis don’t quite align.

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> We are, truly, Of Nature, not Above Nature. This sentiment has always made me question when people say things are "unnatural", "artificial", or "synthetic": If we ourselves are of nature, and these things are a byproduct of us, then aren't they naturally occurring? edit: added "synthetic" to reduce ambiguity.

Ok, maybe synthetic is a better word for many instances of their use. As in synthesized with the aid human intervention.

In which case coral reefs are also synthetic :)

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of the universe, I wouldn't call it "intelligence" versus "artificial intelligence". I would call it "organic intelligence" vs "inorganic intelligence".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism :)

Not quite sure this is what GP meant.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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This is written like a literary academic blog article rather than an academic paper in the sciences. It's fully of literary free association and hyperbolic language, etc. At best it's a sort of mission statement for what would need to be a research programme with many many academic papers behind it. As it is, I'm not sure what the authors aim here is. It's a blog post.

There’s lots of crap on Arxiv.

Re: Is the emergence of life an expected phase transition in the evolving universe?

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Can't help but wonder, is AI an expected phase transition in the evolution of life in the universe? Is life really just the larval stage of a higher order intelligence?

No, because AI is (for now at least) shaped and constrained by us humans rather than developing free based on the laws of the universe. Is it really "evolution" if a judge can rule that it violates copyright and stop all progress overnight? Or a random developer can add a bit of code to make sure the answers appease the right set of people?

What we have today is a crude software approximation mimicking what we think AI should be, but that AI itself is nowhere in sight.

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