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How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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I suppose the ethical question would be: how many current humans are you willing to let die from exposure to a virus in the hopes that one of them might mutate something useful?

It's really an impossible calculation. There's no way to appraise the consequences to assign a value. If it were possible to say, that a future mutation was necessary to save humanity (ie. we are doomed without entering that future) well then perhaps we'd be willing to sacrifice a lot of us now. It's all academic of course, we'll never make such a decision, and never know what could have been. It's just another remin…

> a future mutation was necessary to save humanity

Even in that scenario, it is very simple, we protected the people today and use vaccines to induce the necessary mutation. The moral choice in my book is to always err on the side of the living than "potential of the living".

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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It's a little odd to consider the idea that fighting off modern viruses today, might actually be impeding human evolution in some way we can't foresee.

Umbrella Corporation is working on the innovative t-Virus for the next step in human evolution. But people FUD it.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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It's a little odd to consider the idea that fighting off modern viruses today, might actually be impeding human evolution in some way we can't foresee.

I think the tradeoff is worth it, viruses are far more likely to do us harm than to help us out. Besides, we're entering the age when we can direct our own evolution.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suppose the ethical question would be: how many current humans are you willing to let die from exposure to a virus in the hopes that one of them might mutate something useful?

It's really an impossible calculation. There's no way to appraise the consequences to assign a value. If it were possible to say, that a future mutation was necessary to save humanity (ie. we are doomed without entering that future) well then perhaps we'd be willing to sacrifice a lot of us now. It's all academic of course, we'll never make such a decision, and never know what could have been. It's just another remin…

That's the domain of longscamism

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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You're assuming it happened all in one go. Instead, the protein was probably inserted into a germ cell by a retrovirus, and then was available in descendants as grist for further evolution, eventually being incorporated into the placenta.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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It's a little odd to consider the idea that fighting off modern viruses today, might actually be impeding human evolution in some way we can't foresee.

There are probably thousands (and my guess would be much more) viruses that that dance on the information playground that is our genome, metagenome, and the genomes of the organisms we host. Fighting a few of them is probably not going to be a significant issue. Having more individuals around by itself would also lead to mutations which the environment may select for in the future. By itself there is no such thing as…

You're really missing the point -- there's no way to know the future. Maybe your optimism is warranted, but maybe we stamped out a virus that would have given us a superpower.

The argument is _not_ that we should change our strategy of doing the best we can with the information we have. Just that we should have some humility about what we can and can't actually predict, or say with certainty.

Re: How the placenta evolved from an ancient virus (2020)

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You're assuming it happened all in one go. Instead, the protein was probably inserted into a germ cell by a retrovirus, and then was available in descendants as grist for further evolution, eventually being incorporated into the placenta.

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