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Norwegian youth win climate court case against the Norwegian State

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Re: Norwegian youth win climate court case against the Norwegian State

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Post by nathancahill »

voisin wrote: post #8
xenospn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norwegian GDP just took a hit

It boggles my mind that we allow GDP to not account for externalities to the environment. Like burning a wick, we cheer the flame with no consideration for the dynamite at the other end.

For a beautiful moment in time we created a lot of value for shareholders.

Re: Norwegian youth win climate court case against the Norwegian State

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Post by toomuchtodo »

bethekind wrote: post #6

Is this really a win? You need a strong economy to shift to a Green future. Norway was a small country before oil and gas, now they've made the best use of it out of any country in the world. Shouldnt they keep their foot on the pedal a little longer? Making new battery technology isn't cheap.

If a house was on fire, what would you consider a win to put it out? Or would you do everything possible to put it out? As the climate continues to rapidly change, the tolerance for extraordinary measures would rise I would imagine (especially amongst youth cohorts who will inherit the cleanup over the next ~100 years).

Shareholder value had a cost (industrialization in general [1]), and now it must be paid back.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/contributed-most-global-co2

Re: Norwegian youth win climate court case against the Norwegian State

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Post by legitster »

voisin wrote: post #8
xenospn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norwegian GDP just took a hit

It boggles my mind that we allow GDP to not account for externalities to the environment. Like burning a wick, we cheer the flame with no consideration for the dynamite at the other end.

It's gross domestic product, not net.

The problem is that anytime someone attempts to quantify the cost of climate change, no one is happy with the numbers.

Re: Norwegian youth win climate court case against the Norwegian State

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Post by Ekaros »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #7

I'm not an expert on the Norwegian court system, but they seem to have a Supreme Court, so I assume this can be appealed. And, since it's a completely novel[1] ruling, and the state has a large amount of money they could receive if this were overturned, I expect it will be appealed. [1] "Novel" meaning "without precedent in Norwegian rulings". I did not mean "without foundation" or "unreasonable".

Seems to be District Court. Seems to be somewhat similar to Finnish system. Where district court basically deliver most random and weird decisions. Then they generally get appealed to court of appeals. Which is more logical place. Likely this will be overturned there. And then end in supreme court...

Re: Norwegian youth win climate court case against the Norwegian State

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Post by Deprecate9151 »

bethekind wrote: post #6

Is this really a win? You need a strong economy to shift to a Green future. Norway was a small country before oil and gas, now they've made the best use of it out of any country in the world. Shouldnt they keep their foot on the pedal a little longer? Making new battery technology isn't cheap.

Reading the article, none of that seems to be in scope for the decision. The decision seems to focus on the fact these new locations didn't adequately meet their existing impact analysis requirements in the first place, not that the impact was deemed unacceptable.

Re: Norwegian youth win climate court case against the Norwegian State

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Post by Epa095 »

bethekind wrote: post #9
xenospn wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Norwegian GDP just took a hit

Whenever Green Peace is happy, GDP always suffers

In general short term goals (like current GDP) often takes a hit when long term goals (like the cost of the externalities) gets added to the mix.

But you can't just max out that credit card all the time you know.

Re: Norwegian youth win climate court case against the Norwegian State

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Post by beepbooptheory »

legitster wrote: post #10

Are there now grounds to start shutting down existing oil fields? Something like 20% of the government budget comes from oil revenue, and the entire pension system (to my understanding) comes from oil funds.

Its funny how things always seem to be set up like that...

Oh, sure, you want the state to stop doing bad environmental things? Well, ok, as long as you pay for it!

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