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Using an automated day trader to generate income

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Re: Using an automated day trader to generate income

#11

If you thought something were profitable in a market, and it was easy enough to implement that any hedge fund could, why would you publish it? They'd just do it too until it was no longer profitable.

Couldn't you make the same argument about opening up your software? The competition would just give it away until it was no longer profitable.

Re: Using an automated day trader to generate income

#12

If you thought something were profitable in a market, and it was easy enough to implement that any hedge fund could, why would you publish it? They'd just do it too until it was no longer profitable.

Couldn't you make the same argument about opening up your software? The competition would just give it away until it was no longer profitable.

Most open source software companies make money on service, closed source IDEs, hosted versions, etc. I'm not aware of any company that makes good money selling actual software that could be downloaded or given away by a competitor legally for free. If you're selling .exes, then I wouldn't open source unless you were prepared to switch business models.

FWIW I think open source software is a great thing but in general a horrible way for any sizable corporation to try to make money.

Re: Using an automated day trader to generate income

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post #7

If you thought something were profitable in a market, and it was easy enough to implement that any hedge fund could, why would you publish it? They'd just do it too until it was no longer profitable.

On the other hand, if you thought something was highly risky and likely to succeed only for a short time before blowing up, why not publish it, then bet against it? :) But seriously -- the author's comments seem to indicate that he is not totally comfortable with the technique and that he is aware it could lose, even though it didn't in this case.

I meant long-term profitable, as in +EV compared to buying a SPDR with the money. Even random trading could outperform the market in the short term. But if I thought I had a method that outperformed it for the long term (which hopefully I'll never be dumb enough to) I wouldn't tell anyone.

Re: Using an automated day trader to generate income

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I have no idea what that guy is talking about with double moving averages and what not, but I'd bet that a few simple IF/THEN statements could have produced similar results over the same period of time. Say it hand done well, would you go an invest a few thousand dollars using the IF/THEN algorithm?

On a similar note, say this guy did lose his $3500. Do you think you'd be reading this post on how to automate day trading? Randomness and the survivorship bias play a huge, huge role here.

As far as the website ideas go, I'm pretty sure that some very smart people have demonstrated that using past performance to estimate future performance simply does not work; no amount of tweaking buy/sell algorithms will help you predict where the market is going tomorrow.

Re: Using an automated day trader to generate income

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post #2

I've been thinking recently about how it would be cool to have a service which allowed you to try different trading algorithms. For instance, it would have a few algorithms built in, you could choose which you want and with what parameters and then it would monitor how it performs. Also available would be the ability to see how this algorithm would have performed in the past (to see how it worked in bad markets, etc)…

http://www.collective2.com

Re: Using an automated day trader to generate income

#19

Heh, so this has piqued my interest. I have absolutely no experience in online investing/day trading, although I'm pretty sure a lot of you are veterans. Any books you'd recommend to a programmer with day trading aspirations?

http://www.amazon.com/Technical-Analysis-Financial-Markets-C...

Re: Using an automated day trader to generate income

#20
So, the obvious question for me is where can I buy stocks for $2.40 per trade? Any day trading successes I might manage would be eaten up by transaction costs at my current broker (where trades are $9.95, I think). I'd probably be a far more active trader at $2.40 (which may not be a good thing, but cutting costs is always good).
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