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Re: GM to Shut Down Ultra Cruise

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Once again, George was right. Self driving will be solved with vision alone, or it will never be solved. And solving for vision means solving for AGI.

Vision-only is very very very far behind other techniques. Cruise (the self driving company, not OP) was killed by an overzealous CEO, not by their chosen technique. Waymo drives great in SF.

+1 for Waymo; it feels safe and I have seen it navigate tricky road situations to my surprise.

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Once again, George was right. Self driving will be solved with vision alone, or it will never be solved. And solving for vision means solving for AGI.

Vision is necessary but lidar and other sensor types are probably going to be a powerful supplement.

One can possibly compensate for an inferior “brain” by having more kinds of data to discern meaning from.

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Self driving is going the way of fusion power. Always just a couple years away. I still believe divided highway trucking between major cities with last mile handoff to humans has legs, but I wonder how much the Tesla claims have poisoned the proverbial well of a more constrained system for the foreseeable future.

1. Waymo works great. It's safer than humans within its operating regime, and that regime is more than enough to make a profitable taxi service. As they collect more data, the regime expands.

2. Cruise is in the corporate penalty box for being dishonest in withholding video data from the state of CA, but that was a stupid PR move. It doesn't tell us anything about the tech, which in fact is strong.

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Once again, George was right. Self driving will be solved with vision alone, or it will never be solved. And solving for vision means solving for AGI.

Who is George?

George Hotz. Niche celebrity hackerman. Comma.ai self driving car stuff with cameras only.

In an interview some years ago (I think it was lex friedman) he was asked about Tesla and their radars etc and he said he thinks the future of self driving cars is vision only.

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Self driving is going the way of fusion power. Always just a couple years away. I still believe divided highway trucking between major cities with last mile handoff to humans has legs, but I wonder how much the Tesla claims have poisoned the proverbial well of a more constrained system for the foreseeable future.

Is that "same direction travel divided between autonomous trucks and all other traffic"? Or "only on highways where traffic directions are separated by a median"?

The former sounds like a massive (understating it probably) infrastructure investment. Trains sound better (as other comment while I was typing notes).

The latter doesn't solve the issues noted in the recent article here: https://kevinchen.co/blog/autonomous-trucking-harder-than-ri...

Am curious to hear more thoughts/insights.

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This is not to be confused with Cruise the company. Super cruise is a feature in GM cars.

Does this mean people who already have Super Cruise will have it no longer work? If so I think it is unethical and false advertising to have a feature removed from something someone already owns.

No Super Cruise is different. The blog post explains the difference between the two.

Super Cruise - Hands free driving on highways Ultra Cruise - Hands free self driving cars almost anywhere

Ultra Cruise was never released.

Re: GM to Shut Down Ultra Cruise

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This is not to be confused with Cruise the company. Super cruise is a feature in GM cars.

Does this mean people who already have Super Cruise will have it no longer work? If so I think it is unethical and false advertising to have a feature removed from something someone already owns.

No, this is Ultra Cruise. It was GM’s competitor to Tesla FSD on city streets. Cruise (GM’s L4 robotaxi unit) is different from Super Cruise (L2 hands free highway ADAS) is different from Ultra Cruise.

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This is not to be confused with Cruise the company. Super cruise is a feature in GM cars.

Does this mean people who already have Super Cruise will have it no longer work? If so I think it is unethical and false advertising to have a feature removed from something someone already owns.

It does not mean that. The current product is "Super Cruise", which only works on specified highways that have been pre-mapped.

"Ultra Cruise" is, or was going to be, a version of Super Cruise that worked anywhere.

Re: GM to Shut Down Ultra Cruise

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Self driving is going the way of fusion power. Always just a couple years away. I still believe divided highway trucking between major cities with last mile handoff to humans has legs, but I wonder how much the Tesla claims have poisoned the proverbial well of a more constrained system for the foreseeable future.

I rode in a Waymo and it feels safer, easier, and was more enjoyable than Uber.
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